The only reliable way to not get assholes in your feed is to only join paid relays and block people when then show up. Incur a cost so they can't do it for free over and over.

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Agree. It’ll still take some grit to not get phased by these kinds of comments - they’ll happen one way or another, even on paid relays with paid identifiers. But it should reduce frequency.

Another way is only join and invite-only relay or something, where new people have to vet people getting invited. There are many potential solutions. There is no single "nostr" that needs to be fixed. We just need to make it easier to join subsets of the network where they can have the interactions they prefer. Its not an easy problem to fix though.

Nostr is only as good as the relays you choose

Maybe client-side filtering would be helpful like the suggested mute list. We could share those lists too or have some automatically applied that a person could then modify.

Another way might be to prioritize posts from people in your ā€œtrust networkā€ā€¦ people followed by the people you follow, or by the people they follow. A few degrees of trust and it’s a pretty big and high quality network.

So don’t show replies from strangers at all? That doesn’t sound ideal.

They would become visible to you once they become followed by someone in your extended trust network (which could be thousands of people). If they can’t get followed by at least one person, they are probably spam.

I follow a lot of people but I wouldn’t say I trust them. A few degrees of separation from 200 people is a huge number of people potentially. I certainly would not trust those people let alone the people I follow.

I’m using ā€œtrustā€ to mean that you trust this network not to spam you. Presumably you’re following worthy people and they are likewise following worthy people. Of course, someone in this extended group of worthy people might accidentally follow a spammer but you could block those likely rare cases.

Ok but I still don’t know if I’m following worthy people. I follow people to ā€œtry them out ā€œ to see what they talk about. If they are consistently positive and say interesting things I keep following them. But if they are negative, irrational, act out or talk nonsense I unfollow.

That makes sense. If everyone did that, the network would continue to get better. My assumption was that most people are decent and not spammers. There just needs to be a way to filter out the worst and make it difficult for those new spammers to just blast the network using automated bots. It would be a hurdle to get your bitcoin followed by decent people and presumably a bigger hurdle to stay followed after the bot starts spamming. Anyway, just a suggestion.

It’s good to discuss things! Ty for your ideas.

Omg. What happened to that user, comment said on her pic was disgusting! Am appalled. Im sorry hun the human race should be better😢.

Newbie here, so be gentle with me, but what I think I’ve figured out while using this app in the short amount of time, is that unless I ā€œpay for useā€ I get Chinese global spam, the bad ppl that make comments like above, or I have limited or no access to majority of the users cause I can’t see the replies?

As new user my tiny fund of bitcoin comes from cowdle winnings, so forced into a ā€œpay to playā€ scenario isolates me as a user, & will possibly turn me away from this space in the future.

You don't need to pay to read from paid relays

Im so confused then? I can read paid relay comments, but I just can’t reply to users comments then unless I pay?

How do I know which relays im on?

Seems we need UX work to make this more clear.

Welcome to the club, ferret šŸ¤£šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

I'd like to pay for a few relays for you, if you're interested...

Close, but trust and follow are not always the same. I may read jack, but do I trust him. Certainly not all his followers.

have any paid relay recommendations? can you set that up over Damus or nostrgram?

I use eden.nostr.land and nostr.wine

Sameā—ļøThose are very nice šŸ˜ŠšŸ’œ

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