What about the rights of those who don’t own property?

House wives,

Parents,

Children,

Neighbours,

Community,

Etc

Also, the definition of the words you used such as “stealing” and “harm”. I have a degree in Islamic law, so forgive me for being ‘picky’ lol 😂

But there’s a lot that goes into society building that is outside the scope of “property ownership”. To limit it to those things almost seems to tie rights to those who have and exclude those who don’t.

There’s an Arab saying “The weak is the leader of the journey”. Meaning we have to factor in the needs of others who don’t have, not just those who do

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

I was about to reply to Tuvok that society also needs charity, which I don't define in the modern sense of extraction and tax breaks, but then started thinking - if charity is enshrined in a "base layer" of ethics, then it gets used by people who don't actually need any help to violate people's property.

I think that goes on a second layer of ethics, and must never violate the base layer. People will still be people and will help when they can.

yes thats the point

even with the simplest of rules

you still got bad and good people

its just the case that you dont enslave

the people with nonsense rules

What makes rules “nonsense”?

Also, I’ve wanted to ask you for a while, who, in your view is better?

1) Kirk

2) Picard

3) Sisco

4) Jainway?

😂

Well Jainway is perfect so maybe this should be more of personal preference 😅

Hahahaha

I found her to be uber annoying at the start, but the show (and her) matured nicely. I still prefer Picard with sisco in a solid second. The whole emissary thing ruined part of his story.

I almost forgot about Michael Burnham…I think we should ignore that part of the Franchise lol 😂

Would you define the wealth that’s extracted from a person, by the state of need be, for their family like their wives or children to be theft?

dont know if i get you right,

but you should take care of your kid

how you would take care for you wive

would depend on the marriage contract

i guess there are cases where you could be overcharged

lol 😂

In Islam, property rights are preserved, even more so than in the west (in my view) but ownership is not absolute. People around you have rights over your wealth also. Your wife, while she is your wife, has claim for food, shelter and clothing, regardless of how good or bad a wife is. While the contract is still valid (and also a short duration after divorce) she has those rights. Children likewise have similar rights and claim over your wealth. Likewise parents who may be financially challenged and other close family relatives. And finally the poor in your community have some rights.

It’s not that “because you own it, you have 100% absolute control and ownership”. You don’t, not under any system, other than the barbaric outbacks of an apocalyptic scene like mad max lol 😂.

Once a woman came to the prophet Muhammad and said “my husband is greedy and doesn’t give me what I need?” And he replied “take your needs when you need it”. It doesn’t mean she can take everything whenever she wants, but if she has basic needs that are not being provided for, she doesn’t have to get permission to take it, even if asking permission is better for a loving coexistence together. Likewise a child doesn’t need to beg for food in order to open the fridge to eat.

Maybe the most that can be said is he can determine which of his wealth they can take, but that doesn’t take away from the fact they have rights over it. Or a portion of it.