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the words "population" and "gender" (from generate) also inherently relate to sex and reproduction

(Natural) marriage is an inherently sexual contract and it is contracted between two parties, male and female, only one of which holds a monopoly on violence. The other party's contractual rights, and the rights of the children born into the contract, have to be defended by a separate male party.

That is why marriage isn't like a business contract, where it's two people making a deal at eye-level, that they can just walk away from and shrug. And this is why marriage is "the" contract, and not merely "a" contract.

It is a contract linking two societies or bloodlines.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yup, that's why it's so pivotal to so much history

Laeserin 1y ago

Yeah, that's why women hardly feature in history, except as a "reason" why a feud broke out.

kyle 1y ago

many stop having sex after marriage 😂

Laeserin 1y ago

But a marriage contract is typically sealed by consummation, so there's something inherently sexual about it.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Most people consummate before marriage. These rules are all arbitrary. People do what they want. People have families and care for each other without a marriage contract.

Laeserin 1y ago

We each have to choose the sort of environment we want to live in and I choose a better, more-married place than we have now, not a worse, more-ghetto one.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

What you claim to be “better” is just your opinion. It’s what you think is better for you. You have not proven it to be factually better and it’s unlikely that anyone can. Some people would disagree with you that this society is better. There are ancient tribes that openly reproduced together and believed that all the children belonged to everyone. People didn’t kill each other for sleeping with women they liked because they didn’t view any single woman as their property. They raised the children together as a community. It worked for them. Do I think it’s “better?” No I don’t. I wouldn’t live in a community like that. But that’s my opinion and I have no right to enforce my opinions on what I think is better upon others.

Laeserin 1y ago

You can't consumate a contract that doesn't exist.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

It doesn’t have to physically exist. A verbal contract is fine: “I love you forever.” “I will only be with you.” “I want to be exclusive with you.”

Laeserin 1y ago

You say they are consummating before marriage (which is illogical) and then claim they are consummating after marriage (which was my argument).

A marriage contract is generally sealed by sexual intercourse conducive to procreation, which makes it different from other contracts.

You can't accidentally get knocked up opening a bank account online or getting a car loan.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Im saying these things are arbitrary. Some people get married without the intention of procreating.

Bass 1y ago

couples who wait til marriage tend to have significantly better sex lives

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Evidence?

Bass 1y ago

several studies have been done, however this is the first result from the google machine:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101222112102.htm

MAHDOOD 1y ago

This doesn’t necessarily prove that waiting for marriage makes sex better. Delaying sex makes people value it more. This is just human nature. The longer and more difficult it is to earn something, the more we value it. Getting a car for free and working your ass off to buy one 6 months later are two completely different experiences.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23121225/

Bass 1y ago

right. i did say it makes for better "sex lives" anf not necessarily better sex. It would be difficult to scientifically rate something so subjective, but i guess I was specufically focusing on quantity, which is actually measurable.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Oh I know I’m just saying it’s not the marriage that makes it a better sex life but the delay of sex. If two people agreed not to have sex until they were ready to commit for life and move in together, their sex life wouldn’t be any worse than a couple that got a government approved piece of paper saying they’re married. If anything I’d argue the former couple would have a better sex life because both individuals don’t feel any compulsion to remain in the relationship. They are choosing to be with that person every day because it is genuinely what they want. It’s a much better feeling knowing that your partner can leave you but chooses to be with you than knowing your partner may leave you if it weren’t for this contract.

Daniel Wigton 1y ago

This is why abstinence before marriage is important. That way abstinence after marriage isn't such a shock.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

NO. This is a statist argument. Are you a peaceful or a violent person?

Laeserin 1y ago

I am neither an anarchist, nor a pacificist.

You don't get to simply walk away from Justice.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Are you a peaceful person or a violent person?

Daniel Wigton 1y ago

It is also supposed to be a contract between the couple and society. This is why witnesses are required. Society needs children and marriage agrees to provide them in exchange for support and protection of the marriage.

The state gets involved because society is an interested party. (No state without replenishing the people) This is also why the state is traditionally uninterested in other types of infertile unions.