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i started going to a portuguese catholic mass this last couple of weeks and intend to continue

i personally was always kinda sus on the mary thing in catholicism but when i reframe it as jesus = divine masculine and mary = divine feminine and in that feminine i relate it to "chaos" as in the greek concept of all potential and how only some of what is possible is worth keeping

i mean, yeah, in the literal context it's kinda creepy, reminiscent of the babylonian story of nimrod and samirimus and the whole stupid freudian distortion but i get this feeling when i am witnessing the Mass that there is an innate understanding of something going on, and the low IQ gets it better than the clever theologists especially the protestant ones who want to call everything polytheism, and then oh yeah the islam

and back to the why go to mass... nostr:npub1356t6fpjysx9vdchfg7mryv83w4pcye6a3eeke9zvsje7s2tuv4s4k805u put me onto some stuff regarding the gathering of the Church that seemed right to me, and the vibes i get from several people during the mass especially during that part just before the communion, this is what was meant by it, these people are maybe not ardent seekers but they know what is right, and that is vibes i want in my life, doesn't have to be clever

RedTailHawk 9mo ago

I want to be clear about the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine.

They are not people nor are they lowercase g gods or goddesses.

Some traditions use such conceptual vehicles to discuss the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine, e.g. Shiva and Shakti, Ayida Weddo and Damballa, etc. but it's important to maintain an understanding that those are symbols used to attempt to encapsulate that which is the set of Divine traits that are "masculine" (penetrative/emissive) and that which is the set of Divine traits that are "feminine" (receptive).

Jesus was both the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine. That's what the whole Alpha and Omega thing was about.

So is anyone who becomes enlightened. That's what that means. It's how you climb Jacob's ladder (the Tree of Life).

That said, if one wanted to use Jesus as a symbol of the Divine Masculine, I suppose one could. He did embody both the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine so he could rep both or one or the other I suppose.

Some people claim that Mary Magdalene had a Kundalini awakening when she was young. Others claim that Mother Mary was a "graduate" of the Temple of Isis in Egypt in addition to having been an Essene.

I have personally been to more than enough Catholic masses in my life as that's the tradition I was raised with. I went to a Catholic gradeschool, high school, and college. We went to mass every Sunday. I don't fault you for going though if you get something out of it.

For me, "church" is whenever 2 or more are assembled for the purpose of seeking the Creator. Church is the study group sessions. Church is a conversation with a friend or coworker over lunch at some restaurant, assuming it's on that topic. Church is a conversation over the fenceline between neighbors.

Church, for me, is a gathering of seekers who wish to share the highlights of their seeking with others in a collaborative effort to seek the Creator. Ideally everyone comes, shares something cool they learned that "fits" into the "group perspective in formation", and learns several new things from the other group members there who also share cool things they've learned over the last week.

That can happen anywhere with any group of 2 people or more.

I'm willing to go to church or temple services if invited (and I have in the past). I'm not willing to make a habit of it though unless there's a unique fit with a specific place.

You've heard my presentation. I know I dumped a lot of concepts in a hurry in that show but it's all there, and now I have the sarcophagi science to back my claims up. I'm just going to have to keep making progress towards writing my book and getting the website and podcast up and running. I'm hoping to get that done this year but there are a number of intermediate steps I want to take before I can do those relatively simple things.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

yeah i get it, i'm not suddenly a catholic or something, it's just a gathering place and there is people there and to me that connection is why the physical gathering and the routine is good

i was raised SDA and i never got anything out of attending but Mass has a different vibe, especially the step just before communion

the whole thing post covid is so weird tho, i mean, is it really Communion if only the priest is taking the blood and all we get is bread, sorta bread?

so, yeah, just to be clear, it's just because of the people, and that's the main reason i'm going, and the people teach me things too, though they aren't intellectuals, really quite simple people, which is part of what they have for me to witness

there may be some mundane utility in this but the sense of being part of this funny little village in an edge that i feel most comfortable being part of is why i'm doing it, and i seem to be destined to live in this place for a few more years yet so i need to have a social connection to the culture here and yeah, i haven't been doing my language lessons lately, since i quit the caffeine but i'm quite sure that i will gain blessings by being a part of the christian community here, which is basically catholic, i'm not gonna nitpick on doctrine because i don't think that is important

RedTailHawk 9mo ago

I did something similar. I have been attending classes to learn Qigong. The classes can be very "churchy" in my definition and I get to explore a tradition that I know is related to everything else like Reiki and Filipino psychic surgery and spoonbending and all sorts of cool stuff.

Some of the regulars who attend that class are more like me insofar as studying various things, but most of them are only into Qigong and their regular religion and/or church if they have one. One of the more advanced ones has, in my opinion, been duped by some of the woo woo nonsense that is out there but I can't prove it in cases where our respective research on some given subject is in conflict. Her logic is often not exactly sound on some of these things. Another one I met more recently is interesting. I probably should make an effort to reach out to her and see if she is interested in comparing notes.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

yeah, this is the root of the meaning i got from what LibertyGal was promoting with the "Essential Church" stuff, that connection with fellow seekers, you have to go out not just talk online but be with them in person, and that's really the moment in the Mass that makes me want to come back... when i shake hands with my negihbours and we make eye contact and feel that sense of communion, in the literal sense

i also have had a lot of contact with taoists and kung fu people over the years and the wing chun classes and the ba gua study group i was with...

i kinda deferred all that stuff and Systema (russian, orthodox martial art) became my kinda "thing i'm into but not really doing" but it is so obscure despite being incredibly functional

i'm just gonna take part in whatever is near me that brings me closer to the people who have their eyes on the real matter, even if they aren't going hard, i think that going hard is a bad meme of the last fecades that also needs to die

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

and yeah it was a confluence, it wasn't just libertygal, it was also stella, who i have incredible sympatico with, and am collaborating with her on nostr software dev stuff, she wants to build out a system for distributing old books (especially, but not exclusively) over nostr relays and i seriously wish i colud do more reading, my double vision problem of this last year or so has really strangled my ability to read, and threatens my livelihood as a programmer

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

btw nostr:npub1z4y76jl8r5d8p63defzedngv2nrp46jgt3hyuk5v533htrycm49q66zpx6 if you have the text of the "original" Lord's Prayer that you talked about in your interview i very much would like to transcribe it and practice it because it resonated so well with me

RedTailHawk 9mo ago

Abwoon d’bwashmaya

Nethqadash shmakh

Teytey malkuthakh

Nehwey tzevyanach aykanna d’bwashmaya aph b’arha

Hawvlan lachma d’sunqana yaomana

Washboqlan khaubayn

Wela tahln l’nesyuna Ela patzan min bisha

Metol dilakhie malkutha wahayla wateshbukhta l’ahlam almin. Ameyn

Some obvious ones in there are "malkuthakh" and "malkutha" which clearly resemble "Malkuth", the bottom Sephirah on the Tree of Life from Kabbalah. Malkuth means kingdom or ground in Kabbalah.

In many versions of the Lord's prayer, it is ended with "For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, forever and ever, Amen".

Note that Kingdom(Malkuth), Power(Geburah), and Glory(Hod), are all Sephiroth on the Tree of Life in Kabbalah.

Things like this lead me to think that the original prayer's meaning was essentially a "covering of the Sephiroth" of the Tree of Life...essentially an affirmative declaration by the person speaking it to embody Divine characteristics...name it and claim it...manifestation...that type of thing. And that makes sense too because that stuff is legit. That's how Qigong and other similar "faith healing practices" work.

Like you, I really like this translation, however I am not an Aramaic scholar so my ability to translate it is rather limited, and if some Aramaic scholar pressed me on the matter, I wouldn't choose to die on that hill.

That said, here is that alternative translation with my annotations included.

“O Cosmic Birther(Keter/Enlightenment, possibly Binah/Understanding, the Divine Mother) of all radiance( and vibration,

Soften the Ground(Malkuth/Kingdom) of our bodies and carve out a space within us where your presence can abide(perhaps Yesod/Foundation, the ether that interpenetrates all of physical reality).

Fill us with your Creativity(Netzach/Victory: creative genius), so that we may be in Power(Geburah/Power) to bear the fruit of Your mission.

Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desires. (Victory? Power?)

Endow us with the Wisdom(Chockmah/Wisdom) to produce and share what each being needs to grow and flourish.(Chesed/Mercy to share)

Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us, as we release others from the entanglement of past mistakes. (Karma, Chesed/Mercy)

Do not let us be seduced by that which would divert us from our true purpose that illuminates the opportunities of our present moment. (Chockmah/Wisdom in the form of discernment)

For you are the Ground(Malkuth/Kingdom), the Truthful Mission(Da’ath/Knowledge, wisdom chakra, truth), the Birth(Binah/Understanding, aka the Divine Mother?), the Power(Geburah/Power), and Fulfillment(Netzach/Victory?, Hod/Glory/Splendour?) as all is gathered and made whole again.

And so it is.”

Here it is clean:

“O Cosmic Birther of all radiance and vibration,

Soften the Ground of our bodies and carve out a space within us where your presence can abide.

Fill us with your Creativity, so that we may be in Power to bear the fruit of Your mission.

Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desires.

Endow us with the Wisdom to produce and share what each being needs to grow and flourish.

Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us, as we release others from the entanglement of past mistakes.

Do not let us be seduced by that which would divert us from our true purpose that illuminates the opportunities of our present moment.

For you are the Ground, the Truthful Mission, the Birth, the Power, and Fulfillment as all is gathered and made whole again.

And so it is.”

RedTailHawk 9mo ago

Qigong could help with your double vision issue.

People have healed themselves of the need for hearing aids using Qigong.

The book linked below has the stories. People in my Qigong group have healed themselves of various things...major things. They can even heal cracked eggs and slice a cucumber at a 45 degree angle then "heal it" back together in an L shape using Qigong to do a sort of "organic weld".

https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Natural-Healing-Luke-Chan/dp/0963734148

ArkonaFan 9mo ago

Care to share what woo woo she’s into? Could be in a dm. Your linking qi gong with Reiki and psychic surgery is either more general than I would go or possibly a miss understanding. Off to my Reiki appointment…. I’m sure my teacher will be interested in the Daoist stone medicine book I brought.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

reflecting a bit more on the communion thing, sorta makes me think i should bring a little vial of wine with me so i can actually have the whole proceding actually, cos it's so weird, i mean, i've had communion many times in SDA and they eschew the wine but at least the bread was bread, but it's kinda weird watching the priest take the wine and us lay people are not to take the wine?

i'm not ok with that. gonna jury rig something... just need some small container.

and also that version of the lord's prayer you explained, i think you got it dead on, this is also why i became more comfortable with the idea of being part of the local catholic gathering... it's not as big a part or literally part of the mass but to me that is what it means to follow jesus

if i'm gonna do that, then i need to at least do the ritual as it was intended

and recite to myself the more correct version of the prayer

i was in prison with muslims and practiced salah with them and their prayer is much the same, a mangled version, but almost identical in its sequence and intent