I read the post and I'm familiar with most arguments. What tony replied is basically it.

If they need that much hand holding and can only be lured with custodial gimmicks, then they don't really need bitcoin or are not gonna make it.

All those people will either give up or go back to WoS behind your back, just to get rugged in the future.

Onboarding people to self custody on WoS is just a big fairy tale.

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You think that what I’ve done successfully with a handful of people since we had zap adoption is a “fairy tale”?

I would also add that I think the LN Address things isn’t a “custodial gimmick” but is actually a crucial feature that *will be* native to Lightning (probably with Bolt12 or similar) but that right now only has quick, easy solutions via custodial. I think it’s actually more of a DNS problem and lack of native LN standard for that purpose. But free flowing, instant onboard zapping with the user not needing to have the app open is a critical goal for Lightning that we just figure out in some form or fashion.

Sysadmin perspective: it’s always a dns problem.

Personally I think it's fine you try to on board people the way you sit fit.

My issue is bragging about it with a pic of WoS and normalizing custodial paypal lookalikes.

How would you react if someone boasted about orangdpilling someone with a screenshot of a binance account?