Replying to Avatar Mike Brock

I think it’s mostly a fallacy that product quality has been falling across the board. It’s been a common trope. Even when I was growing up in the 80s, my parents would say the old adage that “they don’t make things like they used to”. But this relies on an incredibly distorted false nostalgia.

How often does a television repairman come to your house and replace the vacuum tubes? When was the last time your radiator in your car exploded because you were running the air condition in hot weather? How often does the compressor in fridge break down, and refilled and re-pressurized with coolant? When was the last time you heard of a car needing its transmission to be rebuilt when it had less than 150,000 miles on the odometer?

These things were all common occurrences and were considered par for the course in the past. But people will swear up and down that all these things were built to much higher levels of quality in the past.

People’s common retort is to point out that a lot of these goods have a lot of “plastic” in them, instead of metal. As if, it’s always preferable to make everything out of metal than plastic. Metal is heavier. It bends. It conducts electricity (when maybe you don’t want it to). When it bends, it doesn’t bend back. But people will swear this is a hallmark of “quality”. Which I think is complete nonsense.

Anyways, I know you’re talking about food, here. And there is some reason to believe that fruits and vegetables have become somewhat less nutritious over time, as a result of nutrient-depletion in the soil from intense industrial farming. However, to attribute that to inflationary monetary policy, instead of the Green Revolution — which by the way, has almost completely eliminated famine from the entire planet, would be a very silly thing for people to argue.

Just the car example alone is enough. To extend it, I remember as a kid in the early 80s in Canadian winter having to *always* plug the car in (for the engine block heater) and my parents pumping the gas while turning the ignition and *praying* it would start in the morning. I remember more than one occasion my dad would call in to work saying he'd be late because the car wouldn't start and that he had to take the bus. I tell younger people this and they find it absolutely mind blowing. Nowadays, I almost never plug my car in during winter and it pretty much always starts first try, even in the closest of weather. Any car made in the last 20-30 years, cold weather starts are mostly a non-issue.

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The “cars were better built in the past” is one of those insanely wrong myths that just won’t die. But this video puts it into really stark terms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U

Wow. That is a dramatic difference. I suspect a component of this sentiment comes from car enthusiasts that perhaps conflate car build quality with car serviceability - there's certainly a solid argument that older cars were easier for the average Joe to service.

They were easier to service and repair, yes. But they also needed a lot more maintenance. In 1970, the average recommended oil change interval for a car was 2,500 miles. Also, cars needed regular tune-ups, to adjust the timing belts, clean the carburetor — which was recommended to be done every 6,000 miles, on average for a car made in 1970. Clutches in transmissions wore out all the time.

Today, cars are being sold with oil change intervals of 15,000 miles / 1 year. Tune-ups aren’t even a thing anymore, because engine timing is controlled by an ECU, and fuel injection has replaced carburetors. Transmissions routinely last the entire life of the car and go hundreds of thousands of miles with no maintenance — that was literally not a thing for a car made in 1970.

So when people say modern cars are of much lower quality, I never really understand what they’re talking about.

One more thing … not to mention, try letting a car from the 1960s sit in a garage for 3-4 months without it being started. Manufacturers literally instructed owners that they should regularly run and drive the car regularly, and not let it sit too long — otherwise the engine could become un-lubricated and seize up, preventing it from starting. Modern cars can sit for years, have some fresh fuel poured in their tanks and startup fine! People’s definition of “quality” is weird sometimes.

If leaving a car to sit sub 0C for more than a few days its almost always a good idea to plug the battery into a decent maintenance charger.