WHY ARE WE CENSORING THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO UPLOAD A 5 HOUR HOME VIDEO TO THE BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN? BITCOIN HAS FAILED AND WE ARE ALL HYPOCRITES UNLESS WE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
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Why caps lock almost as good of questions
Because it's so retarded that people say not wanting jpegs on Bitcoin is censorship. Deserves caps imo.
Fair enough. Hehe
I feel like the actual argument is taking place on how "not wanting jpegs" would even be accomplished.
Some people want to foolishly patch their nodes with a filter;
Some people want to go back to 1mb blocks;
Others want to recalibrate the witness data discount;
Then there are the free market purists who trust the fee market to be dynamic.
Ps. Hard drive space isn't a concern right now.
What's the argument against the patch?
I agree that the size isn't an issue. I've just bought a 2tb SSD for $100 and that should last a while.
My problem is with the idea that we can't do anything or would be hypocritical to do something.
Ultimately I think jpegs will have to be mostly priced out anyway.
Whose being censored?
Some of us want to censor the jpeg lovers access to Bitcoin jpegs.
Gonna be hard to censor access with them embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain.
The more I think on this I do believe eventually we'll build additional purge/prune options. E.g. a node that has all blocks, but removes the witness data, unspendable outputs and lightens the effective utxo set.
They should be priced out in the medium term, so maybe we don't need to do anything.
Claiming that it's somehow hypocritical or censorship to not want them on Bitcoin is my problem.
Like I said, why not 5 hour home movies too? It's just not the vision that the majority of node runners have for Bitcoin, imo.
It's not censorship to not want them.
Is it censorship to remove the ability to put them on Bitcoin? I'm guessing it's both yes and no based on the definition of censorship. But ultimately it's just a design choice and the line has to be somewhere.
It'd be pretty archaic to get rid of segwit and opreturn. I can see a subset of people pushing for that as a solution, and others magic hand waving, but I'd rather have the features and figure out ways to adapt.
But I'm speaking from personal desires too. While much of the image data is rubbish, it's also like a Easter egg hunt, and stuff in a node can be referenced in a sovereign way. It's also a form of permissionless censorship resistant communication which has value.
I'd rather have a 4MB jpeg filling a block, then blocks with tx increasing utxo size by 50000 per block, or a ton of operations, or worse, encoding data as value amounts in outputs if there was no other way to embed.
This is why I prefer focusing on ways we can mitigate the negatives while retaining positives and acknowledging there's always going to be a gray area.
After all.. the overwhelming majority of blockspace didnt benefit me before inscriptions or stamps as I wasn't on the sending or receiving end of most of those transactions. But there's residual value in the network effect. The more others use it without directly benefiting me, the more potential benefit I derive through an active system.