I just want to sell my fiat and dismantle the state.
And I'm all out of fiat....
Discussion
Okay. How do you do that?
By paying as little (if any) tax as possible?
Umm. Not quite what I was looking for, esp since they can coerce you into paying them.
You think you're going to dismantle the state by following all their rules?
Of course they can try and force you. Thats what the state does.
I never said following the rules is how you dismantle it. I disagree that not paying taxes is the way to go about it.
What is your way of going about it?
growing amount of tenants have to collude to withhold their rent permanently against their landlord to jam up eviction courts. once courts are jammed, the state can no longer enforce evictions. if evictions aren't being enforced, tenants are living rent free -- which will have a ripple effect on economies throughout the world, eventually rendering the state useless.
i don't agree that workers in the workplace can pull this off with a "general strike" b/c workers want better wages. it's easier for tenants to withhold their savings in rent than for workers to sacrifice their income when striking.
So your method to bring down the state is to make landlords go broke?
I never mentioned anything about a "general strike", i mentioned withholding taxes from the government.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
you're focused on one tiny portion of the bigger picture i laid out.
landlords make up a good portion of the ruling class. more tenants go on strike, the landlord class dwindles. the state is the protective barrier between landlords and tenants (i.e., bosses and workers). if there is no landlords/bosses anymore, there is no need for the state. the state withers away from a tenant-driven rent-free economy. and when the state withers, a classless society is achieved.
Sorry but we have very different views on what the "ruling class" is.
I am very happy to pay my landlord rent as they give me a place to live and i voluntarily approached them, asking them for a place to live. They do not force me to live there and pay them.
Unlike the government which does force me to fund their shit whether I want to or not. No one asked me, i didn't consent to anything. They just take it from me. The people who take from me without asking are the rules class. Not my landlord who is an awesome person.
Also, where i work I am both boss and worker, why would I want to harm myself just to try and get the state off my back? The state is my enemy, it is the only entity in my life that takes from me without my consent and forces me to do business with it.
The goal is not to live in a classless society but one that is built on voluntary consent between people. Like i said, agree to disagree.
If you don't pay rent to your landlord you would be homeless. So you are being forced to pay. That's how the economy is constructed. And this is something that's backed by the state. Law enforcement will come and throw your stuff out at the landlord's request.
And It's ridiculous to compare yourself to the typical worker who has a boss to answer to.
The goal isn't to convince people like you that our aim should be to live in a classless society. The goal is to get there by getting a growing amount of tenants to strike.
What are you talking about? If I didn't pay rent to my landlord i would just go any one of the other thousands of landlords around. No one is forcing me to do anything. You won't make me into a victim here, the landlord has no power over me. The landlord needs my money just as much as I need a place to live. There are thousands of other renters and there are thousands of other landlords. Some landlords and some renters are real assholes. Neither me or my landlord are assholes, therefore it is in our best interest to remain friends and be nice to each other.
If I stopped paying rent, legally my landlord can't evict me (thanks to the government) but you somehow think the landlord is the one with the power in this dynamic? Sorry but i have to disagree. The government where I live props up the tenant, i know landlords who have people living in their place for months without paying rent and the landlord can't evict them.
Your goal isn't to convince me (who is a tenant), your goal is to grow the amount of tenant that strike, but also your goal is not to convince me, a tenant to strike...what?
Like i said, agree to disagree. I wish you the best of luck in your grand tenant strike, you can count me out though.
there's hypocrisy in your wanting to abolish the state when the state, by its very nature, has the landlord's back over yours. so if you want your landlord to remain intact so he can continue earning his money, then your viewpoint on the state should change. you can't embrace the landlord entity, yet at the same time despise the state. one exists because of the other.
whether you can continue to reside in a unit without paying rent for months, it boils down to the tenant's eventual eviction b/c the landlord will want his money some day.
you are not a tenant i am trying to convince to strike. it doesn't work that way. this is an online discussion we are having.
good day.
Where I live, the government gives more protections to the tenants than to the landlord. The landlord is not able to just "kick me out" like you claim. If the government weren't present, the landlord could show up and just kick me out using violence. Thankfully I am a good tenant so even without the government, my landlord would not kick me out.
Your entire premise is false from the start. The government (in Ontario, Canada) protects the tenant before protecting the landlord. I can stop paying my rent next month and probably live here another 6 months rent free if i wanted to before my landlord could even get a case in front of the landlord-tenant board. The government works for the tenant, not the landlord.
If you are going to ignore the entire premise of private property (which it sounds like you are) then I get your point of view. But to think you can watch someone pay for a house to be built (or build it themselves), that you can just go and live it for free. Boy I wish had that sense of entitlement in my day to day life.
I didn't think the commies would find Nostr so fast. It's good to see a variety of opinions on here though.
I'm not a commie. Don't get your hopes up. It's fun to pretend that I am so you can make your snide remarks though isn't it?
I didn't realize things in Canada were so different that a tenant could live rent-free for however long he wanted. You keep ignoring that a tenant will eventually be evicted because -- what -- "six months"? After that, a tenant can sit out another six months b/c the govt has the tenant's back over a landlord's? lol, come on.
Private property is protected by the state. You abolish the state, you have no private property b/c it can't be enforced anymore. Sounds like you are the commie.
"You keep ignoring that after some time the non-paying tenant will get evicted"
Yes, rightfully so. A non-paying tenant should be evicted.
Private property is a part of nature. I don't need the state to protect my property, i can do it myself. I didn't realize a bird called the cops when a snake comes across it's nest. Have you ever tried to take a dog's bone while they are chewing on it? Animals defend their property all the time. Private property is not uniquely human.
Maybe I am a commie, some commies can be cool.
Private property exists by gunpoint -- backed by the state. That is not natural.
I agree, the state is not natural.
Private property however is. Can you tell me how a beaver building a dam isn't the beaver's private property? If it's not the beaver's private property, what is it?
I believe if the beaver could speak to us the beaver would go "that is mine, because i built it. If you mess with it, i will attack you."