The problem with asking people directly is that they probably feel coerced to give the “correct” answer and are afraid of what would happen if they said how they really feel.

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Ok, survey?

Depends on how you conduct the survey but basically same problem. They’ve done some research I think is legit with white and black interviewers getting different responses from white and black respondents depending on who was asking

Survey not interview

Yeah but who will conduct the survey, you’ll have inbuilt bias from that point. Could try to use an anonymous one but then you might have a lot of noise or active sabotage