"I would never join a platform like Nostr if there's no way notes can be deleted"

"Why is that?"

"Depending what kind of platform it wants to be, if you have content creators like on tiktok or Instagram and someone disagrees with what they say, on these platforms people go as far as finding out addresses and phone numbers and post them in the comments. Mods remove such things. If notes can't be deleted, such information stands there forever. It's dangerous and a no go"

Had a talk this morning following yesterday's discussions about safety on Nostr. This reply is hard to argue with. If you're a nym it doesn't concern you much. If you create "social media content" like videos or images and people even know or recognize you, they might do the worst things for the worst reasons and there currently is no way to prevent or stop that.

Thinking about this a lot today. It's a fine line between censorship resistance and people feeling safe to use the protocol in a way they see fit.

If we want to always have a couple of Bitcoin anons, ignore what I said. If we want mass adoption it's a topic we need to address.

Can it be addressed tho? Yes, but we would need to shift from absolute censorship resistance to something compromised. Maybe some community based reporting mechanism that relays comply with in terms of deleting said notes. We would still not have a central instance but the community guiding such things.

Should it be done? Up for discussion. Especially now that we have a main focus on the outbox model and blastr, it would make it way harder to implement something like that as notes get spread out on many relays that all would need to comply to some mechanism like that. Almost impossible if it's not a standard part of the protocol.

I know this is not a popular topic. I'm interested what people think about it tho.

I think note encryption will be the answer.

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Can you elaborate?

I have a recent note about using encryption to adjust event visibility.

Doesn't nostr.wine have something like that for their creator relay? It must to keep things behind a paywall.

Yes, relays and maybe groups/communities can already do this.

But this one would be complete free-speech sovereignty over entire profiles or individual notes. Encryption allows everything to be private in public. Tunneling over a public channel, like a DM.

Those who don't have the key would just filter out at query level, or something, same as with mutes.

And all encryption on nostr will keep all safe ? XD

The protocol itself is design to be public to share all sort of stuff without limitation. That mean even if u put a lock on those note its useless someone will read those note. Nostr is not an all one app, this is anwsome.