Am I the only bitcoiner that doesn’t think Ethereum is a security?

I just think it’s a failed project, with too much centralized risk in PoS and never needed a token.

But anyways

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It's a shitty software platform.

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I don’t either

Eutheretirum™️ is an unregistered securities *printer*

mETH is the foundational security, issued for free by (and mostly to) a business, and sold to investors at 2000 mETHs per 100M sats

But semantics aside i am curious to know more about why you feel it is not

Still curious

My friend Logan here is a lawyer and had this to say:

Interesting, thanks 🤙

It’s a security *and* it’s a failed project.

I’m getting owned on this and I’m here for it 😂

I don't consider it "money" but it seems to have had success as far as its intent and adoption. No? I don't follow the project too closely though.

It’s 100% a security. There is an insider group, it started with a premine, and it is functionally the investment of money in a common enterprise which relies on the efforts of others with the expectation of profit.

Commodities don’t change security mechanisms or have a small group of developers in charge of making a way to unstake ETH. Commodities don’t roll back the chain or have insiders dump share at the top without disclosures. Commodities don’t require 32 ETH to run a node.

Frankly it’s a layup. It will fail either way, but I see this as a very legitimate risk to ETH. The debate around whether or not securities laws should exist and be enforced is entirely separate, but as it stands ETH is fucked.

Exactly, and I found it hilarious that ETHers were trying to fight the categorization that it's a security after the switch to POS and Staking. This was a nonsensical argument and was a complete distraction from the fact that it was always a security from day one under the definition of what constitutes a security.

What about the premine??

honestly, I get Ethereum and Litecoin mixed up sometimes 😆 both failures

The existence of the Foundation, and its control of the difficulty bomb, makes it a security under Howie.

I saw people on the community, nothing new, just making transitions every day. Ethereum is Scam

It’s not even money.