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I actually think we shouldn't migrate to NIP-104, I think nostr:npub1zuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsk6c2uc would agree -- MLS is too complex to become the shelling point all apps that want DMs should support; apps shouldn't need to rely on an SDK to support a feature and building MLS from scratch is hard -- I think NIP-104 should remain a very specific feature separate from generally-available DMs -- kinda like Telegram vs Telegram "Secret Chat" or Telegram vs Signal.

I just think we should completely remove NIP-04 DMs from all clients and NIP-17 DMs should not be sendable if the user hasn't configured inbox relays.

Yeah, I mostly agree. Hopefully it'll end up being widespread but I wouldn't expect every single client that wants some sort of direct message experience to implement MLS based messaging.

I fully agree on nuking NIP-04 DMs and trying to get clients to do the basic checking for the precursors to NIP-17 DMs. I've done that in White Noise, it's not hard.

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