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Laan Tungir 9mo ago

I hear people mentioning that LLMs will cause the death of programmers.

What I don't hear is that LLMs will cause the death of programming languages.

If I'm using an LLM to write my code, why am I using Python or Javascript? What is the point?

As long as my LLM is doing the programming, I might as well have it program in C.

Even further, why not have the LLM program directly in machine code?

There is no need to program in a slow high level programming language if the LLM is doing the programming for me.

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calle 9mo ago

Training data

liminal 🦠 9mo ago

LLMs can only statistically predict logic, rather than run and validate logic.

Statistically predicted logic tends to converge on correct logic through lots of examples.

roll_the_dice 9mo ago

Can't you just train it on literally all binaries that exist?

calle 9mo ago

Is there a stack overflow of people asking questions about binaries?

roll_the_dice 9mo ago

Is that required? I'd argue just directly ingesting all the software that exists directly avoids all the garbage that comes with human language. Maybe there's not enough data though.

Daneel 9mo ago

As @calle points out, there is no vast repository of assembly language projects to train the models on. Obviously there is plenty of compiled code but not sure there would be enough context for that to be useful?

ynniv 9mo ago

Or F*. LLMs can write code, but they can also *understand* code. Formal verification may be increasingly necessary

Cpt. Charisma 9mo ago

You're close. Why not just make the LLM the OS and dispense with applications altogether? Instead you just tell the computer what you want it to do and it figures it out.

Silberengel 9mo ago

Because then you are dependent it for all of your information and capabilities, which could quickly become a horror show.

Laan Tungir 9mo ago

It's inevitable I think. It is the human condition to be dependent on the technology we create.

Laan Tungir 9mo ago

Agreed. I've thought about this.

Felix 9mo ago

Current llms will produce the first memory bug after 100 lines of code when writing C, good luck having them write a whole application 😱

Silberengel 9mo ago

We're already writing in C. 🤷‍♀️

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

LLM is literally a lossy compression scheme

we are in no danger of losing our jobs over it, us senior devs

at best, maybe juniors will learn stuff a bit more efficiently

LLMs don't have the ability to reason in depth, at all, and programming is the most depth-oriented logic you can do

Laan Tungir 9mo ago

Agreed.

dankswoops 8mo ago

Even with web assembly the limitation in render speed is CSS. until the internet moves away from the current standards JavaScript will remain relevant. especially with the cross platform power of PWAs. everything else could be pure assembly, maybe Zig.