Replying to Avatar JeffG

Exactly right! nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z nostr:npub1l5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqstegx9z, this is why I was waffling on using Kind: 1 or not. Since everything inside is unsigned (and encrypted until it's decrypted by group participants) it does function very much like a private feed of it's own.

Oh so relays are going to need to be modified to not check for a signature then? How will a relay know that a given event is meant to be unsigned? I think having a dedicated kind would simplify this.

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Nope these unsigned events are contained in other events and encrypted with MLS magic. The event that is published to relays is signed by an ephemeral key.