"Wine Tannins give me Massive Headaches"šŸ·

As a low-intervention winemaker, that one caught me off guard.

I’ve heard people blame sugar, sulfites, even histamines. But tannins? Let’s talk about what they are—and what they’re not. 🧵

Tannins are natural compounds found in grape skins, seeds, stems, and oak barrels.

They aren’t about flavor—they’re about texture.

They’re much more present in red and orange wines than in whites or rosĆ©s, since those wines stay in contact with skins, seeds, stems, and oak barrels much longer.

I often hear people say a wine is dry, referring to that mouth-drying sensation you get from certain wines.

However, when a wine is dry, that means it isn’t sweet.

People who describe highly tannic wines this way aren't totally wrong because tannins bind to your saliva and do leave your mouth feeling dried out.

While a lot of the tannins in red wine do come from the grapes of oak barrel, then can also be added during winemaking—usually in powder form.

Most of these powders are derived from natural sources like oak or grape skins, and can support structure, aroma, and color without changing the identity of the wine.

I use oak-derived tannins in some of my wines, especially since I age in neutral barrels.

This helps me use less sulfur in my winemaking.

Tannins act more like a protective coating that helps show off the wine’s natural brilliance—not a tool for manipulation.

Most wine additives are used as part of a manipulation regime—designed to hit a target flavor profile, often at the expense of transparency.

And with over 70 approved additives that don’t have to be listed on a wine label, the real culprit behind your wine headache could be anything.

Tannins are different.

There is some nuance.

Hydrolyzable tannins like gallotannins (from oak galls or chestnut wood)—have been linked to mild inflammation or histamine release in sensitive individuals.

But they’re typically used in small amounts and are far less likely to be the issue than residual sugar, poor fermentation, or a cocktail of other additives.

Tannins aren’t usually the problem. The winemaking style might be.

Wine is complicated and often swept into a shroud of mystery to keep consumers in the dark.

But knowing a little can change a lot.

I’ll be sharing more about how to navigate additives, labels, and wine in general.

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Thanks for doing this series. It would be helpful to know some hacks to simplify the already bewildering wine decisions required. For example are there American or other regions, price points, styles like organic and biodynamic, that can simplify the choices required to avoid the gunk?

Unfortunately, its pretty producer specific in the US. If you want a general region, I reccomend going France or Italy generally. You may be able to ask the wine shop for recs as well. unfortunatly there isnt really a labeling mechanism or wording that tells you much in the US

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Anyway, very interesting, thanks for posting!

fuck, I forgot to change it to reNOST

Next time 🄲

Every other time but this one

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Yes! I have made wine, just from higher quality kits, but knowing what goes into it is important. I've served my wine to people who claim headaches and it was fine. When people aren't in their craft for the right reasons, it shows.

Those kits def have a ton of preservatives (mostly), but they're still even less than big wineries do

Yes. There are a few brands that have more juice (less concentrated) and have shorter shelf life and can be quite good for the hobbyist without the complications of skins etc. It's surprising how good of a wine you can make when you take appropriate care. I tell people I have a homemade wine and they appropriately wince. There's some bad wine out there from the average hobbyist 🤢

It’s astonishing that over 70 approved additives can be used without being listed on the label šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

I'm a libertarian Bitcoiner who is okay with less regulation and the burden being put on the consumer, but yes, the current state of the wine market is shitty.

Doing my part to educate

What is Orange wine?

It's wine made from white wine grapes in the style of red wine.

More skin contact + oxidation of that skin turns the wine orange

Its the opposite of rosƩ

Interesting! You have some solid white grapes right? Do you make any orange wine?

I only grow Pinot noir personally, but have made white wine in the past.

I know my audience has a thing for the color orange šŸ˜‰ so it's something I'm thinking about, but haven't pulled the trigger on yet

Good to know. And Exactly! I’ll buy some. Hope you got a few dollars last week when people just kept sending sats instead!

Lolol that was me bitching about the best problem to have. Disregard! We all good.

You bought some already right? Or am I getting your handle mixed up with someone else's name

I did buy some and postponed delivery for a little bit. It just happened to be about the time you said you needed dollars not sats.

It was! Very helpful!

Every dollar I get is a sat I don't have to sell (not that I'd know, I've never sold)

I have found out orange wines only a few years ago, but it was like a revelation to me.

I haven't tried many yet so I think I need to dive into tasting to get excited

Bitcoiner def ask

Loving this series on wine knowledge, I’m learning so much

Thanks for reading along. I'll keep going!

Tanin’re anti-nutrients.

I've never heard this

Natural biohackers, carnivore people know. But don’t worry as entering into that topic is for a fringe minority. In Vino Veritas so who care 🄰!

You have a link you could send me about that tho? I'm curious

Here we are bro! As said this is concerning for a very small minority of #biohacker like me. Before anti-nutrients alcohol is probably far worse šŸ˜‚. But don’t get me wrong, good organic wine like yours PEONIA shared with friends and family from time to time is a true pleasure for many. I became a natural biohacker a decade ago. I dug deep and tried for long most diets. Plants are not good. Natural untouched #Meats are.

We need more wine education Ben

Will do. Side tracked writing about Bitcoin recently šŸ˜‰

caught me unawares too. Does drinking tea give you a headache? Seems like a red herring

My wife and I often notice runny nose, watering eyes, and yes headaches, when drinking some wines

We always out it down to non-organic inputs

Especially sulphites

Tannins would be a new one!

I make prison wine compared to you and I just throw in tea bags for tannins