Funny that every time something privacy related happens, our Monero bros ride the wave to tell us how we should have listened and used their coin instead.

Sure, I don't mind "using" it, but it is nothing like Bitcoin on every other aspect aside from offering anonymous payments, which can be achieved on lightning anyway and without having a token.

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monaros are so boring

the privacy use case of lightning just has not been fleshed out well by anyone yet, it's there...

i was designing a tor-like relay network last year that used a form of onion TLVs with source routing and micro accounts paid for by keysend/AMP payments, which required a different arrangement to public LN node networks - primarily do small payments and are mostly automated and they more openly advertise their channels between each other because you don't pay them by asking for invoices, you just zap them with a special code that unlocks a two key message to pay for a session and then you can use the node in a hop for general network traffic relaying

https://github.com/indra-labs/indranet in case you are curious

would be cool to get it at least to a point of running a test network to explore how effective it is... the thing was that it uses libp2p which limits the scale of its connectivity, it really needs a connectionless UDP protocol so relays don't need to know about the existence of the next hop, only its address and port

Thanks for sharing. I will be honest, this is beyond my current understanding of things. Is l0k18 your Github handle?

yes, and also mleku

Supposedly anonymous.

Lol

What is your point? That unless something is perfectly anonymous and perfectly private, it can't be more anonymous and private than Bitcoin? Monero is still leagues ahead on that front.

Is that easy. 💯

A wave of ignorant people entered the network since 2020... people who just jump of a narrative which they want to believe ... My point is that most people simply repeat things that they themselves have not understood in depth... they obsessively want to belong.... ego, the root of all evil

No that isn’t my point. My point was to illustrate the limitations of anonymity according monero’s own website. Its anon set is still very small so one should be aware of that.

Ok, thanks for letting us know, but you might want to remove the plank from your own eye first.

Very small compared to what?

Your Bitcoin anon set is only as large as your coinjoin peers. And only a tiny

fraction of Bitcoiners ever coinjoin much less every transaction.

Every single Monero transaction sent is a "coinjoin". And Monero stealth address

receiver anon set is literally EVERY MONERO USER THAT HAS EVER EXISTED.

Bitcoin is the one with the tiny anon set and it is not even technically anonymous.

How do you swap monero for bitcoin privately then?

Honestly? You're making a complete fool of yourself here.

And I'm not going to take the time to explain why.

#IgnoranceIsBliss

Yeah, that was my vague idea on the topic as well.

Yea, I don't think the technical privacy differences of both coins played any role with the Samourai event, but the fallout of it is actually relevant (Samourai requires xpubs, centralized coordinators, etc)

Lightning being more private isnt even true theoretically, but more importantly it's not true in practice.

It seems like I need to learn more still, thanks for the comment

I'm still learning myself

you obviously never heard of keysend or AMP then

Forgive me for being suspicious but seems like even more vaporware...

What wallets currently support them? Is it widely used? Because I would like to mess around with it. And what is up with bolt 12?