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where did you acknowledge that this lawmaker had special access to the governor which allowed her to cut through the red tape and get a lifesaving abortion in an expedited fashion?

and that other 'normal' citizens would not have this access and would have to wade through the red tape of the hospital's legal system before they are granted similar care, if they are alive to receive it?

i must have missed it, i'm sorry sometimes i can't read too good

furio 6mo ago

If you live in this country the Supreme Court has determined that you don’t have a *right* to an abortion.

You started this by asking my take on Trump and republicans trying to limit your “rights.”

This entire thread is moot.

So Florida law (and every other state) allows your precious abortion in the case you cited, without having to ask any politician.

Because it went down this way, where they had to appeal to authority, is wrong, and not how the law is written.

None of that changes the fact that your entire position is gaslighting and wrong, and moot. It’s a typical tactic to say that orange man is *taking away your rights*, and I reject that premise on its face.

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The Stacker Monster 6mo ago

personally, i don't believe the government has any place in my medical decision making. just like i don't believe they have a place to print money as they please.

any law that grants people more privileges/rights and takes power away from government (local, state, federal) should be celebrated. i think roe vs wade did that.

donald trump, as stated explicitly out loud on national tv several times, said he would put in judges who would overturn this privilege/right that people had the privacy to make this decision in consultation with their doctor.

you can try to argue it from a legal standpoint. i assume, given you are on nostr and presumably a bitcoiner, you probably agree with me that taking away government intervention whenever possible is a good thing.

furio 6mo ago

I’m sorry the Supreme Court and the Constitution disagree with your desire.

I want to take all *federal* government intervention that is unconstitutional and “send it to the states,” exactly like they did when overturning Roe.

Then if a state tries something *unconstitutional* I expect the Supreme Court to overturn, as is the agreed upon “law of the land.”

That is my position, always has been, and I do not accept your premise that you try to frame as something I “probably agree with.”

The Stacker Monster 6mo ago

simple question, do you agree that people should have as much freedom as possible with as little government interference in their lives?

furio 6mo ago

Broadly speaking yes. I’m not anarchic tho.

And I would live in a state with severe restrictions on murdering babies.

That’s the beauty of the 50 state governmental experiments. I would fight the battles that matter to me and move to a better state if it was too oppressive.

But outside of that answer to your broad question and my above addition you shouldn’t put any more “beliefs” on me that I should or shouldn’t hold.

Simple question for you: do you agree that roe and other extra-constitutional laws should be decided at the state level and not the federal level, as the 10A states?

The Stacker Monster 6mo ago

i could give 2 fucks what a piece of paper written centuries ago says on it. that is a document written by men who lived in a different time and like all men, they were flawed in their own ways. the supreme court is a group of ppl appointed by politicians. they are not some supreme council of gods. they have made decisions in the past that have been overturned and overturned those yet again. there is no absolute truth they hold that i give a fuck about.

i'm talking about what you and I believe are right and wrong and the desired end state. not about what a glorified piece of paper or council of chosen men think is right or wrong

furio 6mo ago

Got it. So you only want to play by the rules if they let you kill babies.

Remember your angst when there were roadblocks to your made up “right” to abortion?

Defund the police, amirite? Then you could have your lawless society.

The Stacker Monster 6mo ago

To your specific point: "So Florida law (and every other state) allows your precious abortion in the case you cited, without having to ask any politician."

then why did the governor's office intervene in this case? why were they asked to provide this assurance to the doctors to proceed in an expedient manner?

can you admit there must be a flaw of some kind otherwise this type of intervention from the governor would have never been requested or granted?

furio 6mo ago

I’m sure there are lots of “flaws” in laws and execution at several states. If I don’t live there, it doesn’t matter to me, and I have no right to have a state change their laws.

Do you think I should have input on your state legislature if I don’t live there?

And then, by extension, if the law is messed up in my state, there’s a democratic process to fix it with elected (by me) officials.

The MSM framing is so tiring. Trump is not *taking away your rights.*

The ability to absurdly frame narratives has lost a lot of energy since the election, thankfully. Pride month has been gloriously muted.