### Jesus is not God
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Jesus is God in human form. With all the struggles that brings with it. He is one of three parts of God: God the Creator (Father), The Holy Spirit the driver of good in the world, and the Son (Jesus) a human.
Jesus, the human form of God, prays to God the creator for miracles, strength, and all other things a human would need to. God humbled himself to become man, which is why as a man, he has to ask God for help.
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John Chapter 10 would be a good one for you to read.
Ok time get some time to understand your reply without any bias đ.
This is understandably long, if you chose not to listen to it. I think this gentleman addresses a lot of what you've shared with me this evening.
There are many translations of the Bible. Anytime anything is translated, there is some level of change to the wording. This is clear in many languages being translated to English and vice versa. That may disuade someone living by "Solis scriptura," but as a Catholic, I'm able to benefit from tradition of the church, canonical interpretation, and faith in an organization that is far more studied than I am.
Interesting. That is not the response I got from Chat GPT (posted below).
Although, it also mentioned the Counicl of Nicea. The hole in this video is the belief that the Council of Nicea just changed Christian doctrine. In fact, the Council of Nicea met over two whole months. With the goal of establishing consensus amongst the Christian leaders, from all over the known world, as to what the official church doctrine should be universally. The conclusion of these church leaders, from many walks of early Christian communities, was the ratified belief that Jesus was both God and the Son of God.
Consensus is important because it showed that the attending council members agreed that was the truth.
There are some points muslims to prove Jesus Is the messager from God by belives and indeed Christians can disprove it by their belief. By viewing prospective. So now only way to prove Bible has no corruptions as Quran says , Christians need to analysis the verse conflict in Bible.
Great question, Aadhil.
When comparing alleged contradictions in the Qurâan and the Bible, there are some key differences in how each is viewed, interpreted, and defended by their respective religious communities.
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1. View of the Text:
Qurâan (Islam):
Muslims believe the Qurâan is the perfect, unaltered word of God.
It is infallible, preserved in Arabic, and free from contradictions.
Any contradiction is explained by context, abrogation, or misunderstanding.
Bible (Christianity):
Christians believe the Bible is inspired by God, but it was written by many human authors over centuries.
Many Christians accept minor contradictions as a result of human authorship.
Others (especially fundamentalists) argue that there are no real contradictions, just misinterpretations or harmonizable differences.
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2. Examples of Conflicts in Each:
Bible: Conflicting Verses (Examples)
a) Who killed Goliath?
1 Samuel 17:50 â David killed Goliath.
2 Samuel 21:19 â Elhanan killed Goliath.
> Some translations try to resolve this by inserting "the brother of Goliath" in 2 Samuel 21:19, though thatâs not in the original Hebrew.
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b) How did Judas die?
Matthew 27:5 â Judas hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 â He fell, burst open, and his intestines spilled out.
> Christian scholars often explain this as a sequence of events: he hanged himself and later his body decayed and fell.
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Qurâan: Apparent Contradictions (As Discussed Earlier)
Creation in six days vs. instant command âBeâ
No compulsion in religion vs. fighting polytheists
Different responses on who is questioned on Judgment Day
> Muslim scholars explain all with context or the doctrine of abrogation.
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3. Treatment of Contradictions
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4. Final Comparison
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Conclusion:
The Qurâan allows no room for contradiction and relies on strict context-based defense.
The Bible, being written over centuries by different people, does contain differences, especially in narratives.
However, both faiths have developed rich traditions of interpretation to reconcile or explain such issues.
Would you like a side-by-side example of a Qurâanic verse and Bible verse that deal with the same topic but differently?
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Here it is if this conclution is acceptable than Quran correct ,if Quran correct then....
There are some points muslims to prove Jesus Is the messager from God by belives and indeed Christians can disprove it by their belief. By viewing prospective. So now only way to prove Bible has no corruptions as Quran says , Christians need to analysis the verse conflict in Bible.
Great question, Aadhil.
When comparing alleged contradictions in the Qurâan and the Bible, there are some key differences in how each is viewed, interpreted, and defended by their respective religious communities.
---
1. View of the Text:
Qurâan (Islam):
Muslims believe the Qurâan is the perfect, unaltered word of God.
It is infallible, preserved in Arabic, and free from contradictions.
Any contradiction is explained by context, abrogation, or misunderstanding.
Bible (Christianity):
Christians believe the Bible is inspired by God, but it was written by many human authors over centuries.
Many Christians accept minor contradictions as a result of human authorship.
Others (especially fundamentalists) argue that there are no real contradictions, just misinterpretations or harmonizable differences.
---
2. Examples of Conflicts in Each:
Bible: Conflicting Verses (Examples)
a) Who killed Goliath?
1 Samuel 17:50 â David killed Goliath.
2 Samuel 21:19 â Elhanan killed Goliath.
> Some translations try to resolve this by inserting "the brother of Goliath" in 2 Samuel 21:19, though thatâs not in the original Hebrew.
---
b) How did Judas die?
Matthew 27:5 â Judas hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 â He fell, burst open, and his intestines spilled out.
> Christian scholars often explain this as a sequence of events: he hanged himself and later his body decayed and fell.
---
Qurâan: Apparent Contradictions (As Discussed Earlier)
Creation in six days vs. instant command âBeâ
No compulsion in religion vs. fighting polytheists
Different responses on who is questioned on Judgment Day
> Muslim scholars explain all with context or the doctrine of abrogation.
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3. Treatment of Contradictions
---
4. Final Comparison
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Conclusion:
The Qurâan allows no room for contradiction and relies on strict context-based defense.
The Bible, being written over centuries by different people, does contain differences, especially in narratives.
However, both faiths have developed rich traditions of interpretation to reconcile or explain such issues.
Would you like a side-by-side example of a Qurâanic verse and Bible verse that deal with the same topic but differently?
____________end____________
Here it is if this conclution is acceptable than Quran correct ,if Quran correct then....
There are some points muslims to prove Jesus Is the messager from God by belives and indeed Christians can disprove it by their belief. By viewing prospective. So now only way to prove Bible has no corruptions as Quran says , Christians need to analysis the verse conflict in Bible.
Great question, Aadhil.
When comparing alleged contradictions in the Qurâan and the Bible, there are some key differences in how each is viewed, interpreted, and defended by their respective religious communities.
---
1. View of the Text:
Qurâan (Islam):
Muslims believe the Qurâan is the perfect, unaltered word of God.
It is infallible, preserved in Arabic, and free from contradictions.
Any contradiction is explained by context, abrogation, or misunderstanding.
Bible (Christianity):
Christians believe the Bible is inspired by God, but it was written by many human authors over centuries.
Many Christians accept minor contradictions as a result of human authorship.
Others (especially fundamentalists) argue that there are no real contradictions, just misinterpretations or harmonizable differences.
---
2. Examples of Conflicts in Each:
Bible: Conflicting Verses (Examples)
a) Who killed Goliath?
1 Samuel 17:50 â David killed Goliath.
2 Samuel 21:19 â Elhanan killed Goliath.
> Some translations try to resolve this by inserting "the brother of Goliath" in 2 Samuel 21:19, though thatâs not in the original Hebrew.
---
b) How did Judas die?
Matthew 27:5 â Judas hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 â He fell, burst open, and his intestines spilled out.
> Christian scholars often explain this as a sequence of events: he hanged himself and later his body decayed and fell.
---
Qurâan: Apparent Contradictions (As Discussed Earlier)
Creation in six days vs. instant command âBeâ
No compulsion in religion vs. fighting polytheists
Different responses on who is questioned on Judgment Day
> Muslim scholars explain all with context or the doctrine of abrogation.
---
3. Treatment of Contradictions
---
4. Final Comparison
---
Conclusion:
The Qurâan allows no room for contradiction and relies on strict context-based defense.
The Bible, being written over centuries by different people, does contain differences, especially in narratives.
However, both faiths have developed rich traditions of interpretation to reconcile or explain such issues.
Would you like a side-by-side example of a Qurâanic verse and Bible verse that deal with the same topic but differently?
____________end____________
Here it is if this conclution is acceptable than Quran correct ,if Quran correct then....
Your point on perspective is well made. Wouldn't the authors of the books of the bible all be writing from their own perspective of the historical events that occur within its pages? Yet they all roughly attest to the same events, supporting one another.
If a bank gets robbed, every witness will describe the event differently.
Additionally, it's worth noting that many of the authors were followers of the disciples, but few were writing from first hand accounts.
Here are the statements you must agree!
1.Is our God is greater than every being in universe?
Our answer - yes
2.Does our God provided scientific evidences to prove his is the real God?
Our answer - yes
3.Can humans understand every scientific evidences from God?
Our answer should be - No , because humans developing their scientific knowledge over centuries. So some scientific evidences are looks as jokes ,unreal ant that time so hard to understand.
Scientific perspective:
Now from 3 rd statement ,authors can't understand some events true objectives & meaning because that's beyond their knowledge of understand, even implementing more authors their understanding is average at that time . Now the changes occure due to human interruptions in the holy book.
Human dark mind:
What If Jesus tells restrictions about some actions like drinking, sexual thoughts things, punishments laws etc. in that time humans are living their life as animals. They want to sex with any woman, they don't want to stop sexual thinking , they don't want to stop if that gives pleasure to them. It's human nature . This lead to make corruptions if that God words want to restrict them to achive that pleasure.
Quran says many scientific evidences that are unrealistic & foolish story At that time due to their limited scientific development. Not all are proven some still are unrealistic hope that will open up in future.
Conclusion:
Trusted source of holy book should not be Human interaction taken . Every one accept this if they in unbiased state.
1. Agreed
2. Agreed
3. Agreed
I do not accept the Quran. By your own reasoning, the Quran was compiled through human hands the same as the bible. Muhammad was illiterate, as I understand, and his wife and followers put the Quran together based on his revelations. The same as Jesus's disciples testified to Jesus as the Mesiah and Son of God, and how his disciples and disciples disciples recorded the teaching of Jesus Christ.
I accept the truths of the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus Christ. I believe God is all powerful, and has preserved the teaching of Jesus throughout the years in the form of the Bible.
I understand Muslims believe that the bible has become corrupted from translation. However, I believe that God has used the Holy Catholic Church, and the lineage of Peter, to preserve those works. I fail to accept that God was unable to keep his word intact, as you believe.
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Great đ God bless you brother
I am not only thinking from my own perspective. I trust Bible if Islam is not exist I will become Christian. From Quran it says it is the new testament of Bible and all other holy books which god send before.
If you see the Islamic rules that are embedded into religion. If corruption taken the rules are not strictly restrict bad things and actions. Islamic rules are strict and clear compared to Christianity rules seems less or no corruption every thing make sense in Islam.
I respect your belives sounds seems you have good heart. I hope it will continue to death
Likewise, nostr:nprofile1qqs96wz65njsdr3rd0k9v2pk6rckauqzmepu2zpjcc3ucnx6qg3lhaqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43z7qg5waen5te0xyerwt3s9cczuvf6xsurvwf0uh6amx, this has been a fun exchange of ideas. God bless you :)
Your comment, and Chat GPT's response to you still supports my comment. Which is the trinitarian view. I understand that it also supports the Muslim view. Which means, at the least, we can agree on that. :)
Happy đ with that but research more. What you think about prophet Mohamed mentioned in Bible (orginal) do you believe it?
I do not agree with the assertion or the interpretation. It's rather cherry picked, and ignores other uses of the same Hebrew term in the Old Testimate. This comment broke it down quite well: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WJNcQ1Mz9MU&lc=UgzvC8OxwmRfKDyyxeN4AaABAg
Great question. Let's go deeper:
Does John 20:17 support Trinitarian Christianity?
Hereâs the key part of the verse again:
> âI am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.â
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1. Core of Trinitarian Belief
Trinitarian Christians believe:
One God in three persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
The Son (Jesus) is fully God and fully man (the doctrine of hypostatic union).
Within the Trinity, the Son submits to the Father in role, but is equal in essence.
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2. Problems This Verse Raises for Trinitarianism
a) Jesus says âmy Godâ
If Jesus is God, why does he call anyone âmy Godâ?
Islamic view: God cannot have a God; this proves Jesus is not God.
Trinitarian challenge: It sounds like Jesus is not equal to God.
b) Distinction between âmy Fatherâ and âyour Fatherâ
Suggests a different kind of relationship.
Jesus seems to say: âHe is my Father in one way, and your Father in another.â
Trinitarians say this supports Jesusâs unique Sonship, distinct from believers.
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3. Trinitarian Defense
Trinitarian scholars argue:
Jesus is speaking as a man, post-resurrection, still in his incarnate human form.
Saying âmy Godâ is part of his voluntary submission as Messiah (see Hebrews 5:8).
The Father and Son are equal in divinity, but different in role.
Key example:
> Philippians 2:6-8:
âThough he was in the form of God... he humbled himself... and became obedient... even death on a cross.â
So, in this view, Jesus calling God âmy Godâ reflects his human role, not denial of divinity.
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4. Honest Assessment
This verse does not directly support the Trinity.
It never mentions the Holy Spirit.
It shows Jesus distinguishing himself from God.
It raises questions about divine equality.
But it also doesn't refute Trinitarianism if you accept:
The idea of dual nature (God-Man).
That Jesus can submit in role while remaining equal in nature.
So, Trinitarianism can interpret this verse, but the interpretation requires theological assumptions not explicit in the text.
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Final Verdict:
John 20:17:
Challenges Trinitarian doctrine at face value.
Supports Islamic views of Jesus more directly.
But doesn't âdisproveâ the Trinity because it can still be explained within its complex theological framework.
Would you like to see how early Church fathers handled this verse or how it was debated in history?