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Understood let me give an extreme example however. A Fed plants himself on robosats and sells bitcoin to folks and only accepts cashapp or some other kyc'd source of funds. He can then match the transactions to the real identity of the buyer through legal process aimed at the source.

Bass 1y ago

Great point. I've wondered whether the sins of the person who gives me sats could in some way affect me, but me sending a potential murderer money via cashapp still has no direct link to my bitcoin (I believe). If they hold a gun to the guys head and ask him to divulge the identities of random lightning users, what info does he have? A fed, could pose as a seller once they have my cashapp information, and send me dirty coins, but lightning and liquid do a good job of mixing the trail.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think I have it all figured out. I'm just trying to process through the best viable options. Open to correction or info.

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SuiGenerisJohn 1y ago

No, I get it. This is all worth thinking through. My point is the anonymity could potentially be confounded where the source of funds is kyc and if a fed or informant 's goal is just to aggregate lists of people attempting to buy anonymously, i would be thinking about that. I dont know this for a fact but I dont think its illegal to buy anonymously (yet), at least in the united states *not legal advice any of this* but I wouldnt be surprised if law enforcement is collecting this information anyway for future purposes. But the separate issue of dirty bitcoin is another thing all together that is way over my head.

Bass 1y ago

Here is a list of payment methods from Bisq, another nonkyc p2p exchange that has similar payment options. It gives a good pro/con list of the options:

https://bisq.wiki/Payment_methods#Payment_method_guides

I have some lingering anxiety over a personal face to face that went sideways locally (which caused me to close up the local btc meetup I was hosting). My threat model was affected significantly by that experience so this is the best of both worlds 😅

SuiGenerisJohn 1y ago

As price goes up we all have to adjust security accordingly and I agree, there is zero chance I would bring cash or thing of value to meet a stranger who might be hoping im carrying my entire wallet with me around my neck like a tard.