Nostr Web Client

Derek Ross 3y ago

**Today was an extremely active day on Nostr**

And the best part? It was all because of two tiny events.

* Damus added NIP-05 ID display in their app

* Damus cleared slots for about 700 new TestFlight users

These events revealed several major takeaways:

The Nostr FOMO is real. No matter what your friends say, no matter what naysayers on Twitter post, today was evident that people *care about Nostr*. They are experiencing FOMO and they are experiencing it bad.

Nostr was so active today that one popular Relay was pushing over 100mbit/sec of traffic. That's one relay and it's just text - no videos or images.

This type of traffic isn't sustainable for the average Relay operator. Soon, Nostr will have to switch to Value 4 Value models to help Relay operators pay their bills. They can only survive on donations and the goodness of their own hearts for so long.

If this is what Nostr was like today, can you imagine what it's going to be like when Damus gets approved on the Apple App Store?

What about when an Android client finally hits the Google Play Store?

Keep building.

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Do you use Damus iOS most frequently?

Derek Ross 3y ago

I have never used Damus. I am an Android user :)

Ah cheers! I was an android user between 2016-until about 4 months ago 😊 Work efficiencies made me change back 🫠

Derek Ross 3y ago

I've been a proud Android user since 2010. I've never owned an Apple device besides the iPod Touch my girlfriend, now wife, bought for me back in 2005.

Just curious because from the app, I’m not sure I’m viewing info from all the relays, unless that just happens naturally on the backend? They’re toggled on but beyond that - I’m not actually doing anything apart from refreshing my feed.

Derek Ross 3y ago

I keep seeing #[1] mentioning for people to add the recommended relays. That's all I know for that.

Also, you don't want to try and collect all of the relays. I still need to go through mine and figure out which ones I should actually be using. The more you use, the more data you're sending out. I used over 5GB in one week and burned through all of my data.😂

fd7bfa2e... 3y ago

I just tried to get a friend on Damus but he’s an android guy. Have a link bookmarked I can send him to set it up?

Derek Ross 3y ago

https://astral.ninja or https://snort.social are good web browser clients.

Better Dad 3y ago

I just learned how to update my profile picture and you expect me to know what NIP-05 ID is?

Understandable! I’ve been on this thing a couple of weeks and just trying to keep up 😂

“What is NIP-05?

NIP-05 is a verification method for your Nostr account across all clients. Think of it as the blue checkmark on Twitter or Instagram, but instead of meeting Twitter and later Instagram’s requirements to be verified, you can simply do it yourself, and Nostr clients will respect it.”

https://thebitcoinmanual.com/articles/nostr-account-nip-05-verified/

Derek Ross 3y ago

This isn't entirely correct though. It's similar to a check mark because clients are displaying it that, but if you read the spec, it's not a verification. It's an identifier. It's an identity. The word verification is never used. It's confusing, because we are so used to verification on social networks.

Derek Ross 3y ago

C'mon better dad. Be better. A NIP-05 ID is just an easy way to transform your public key into a human readable format. It's an identity for yourself, to help you stand out among all of the other betterdad's out there.

More info at my website: nostrplebs.com (You do not need to register an ID from me or anyone else for that matter if you don't want to.)

Better Dad 3y ago

I think I did it! Now I can be belittle everyone since I have a blue checkmark. At least that is how it works on twitter.

Do you mind explaining what is different with Value 4?

Derek Ross 3y ago

Value 4 Value essentially means you paying for the value that your'e getting out of something. If your'e providing me with good content, maybe I'll send you some sats. I win because I get the content. You win because you get the sats. We both get value out of our transaction.

Got it. So incentivizes more win-win scenarios, Right?

Derek Ross 3y ago

Sure. It's more you provide value, you receive value, I guess that's a win-win.

RABBINSTEIN 3y ago

#[1]

SatoshiChela 3y ago

❤️ for decentralized platform is real!

Right now we can connect to multiple relays freely which drives decentralisation of the network. Once relays start charging for access, users will naturally connect to fewer relays. I wonder about the downstream implications of such a shift.

Derek Ross 3y ago

centralization is one way, which we don't want that. im sure we'll find a happy medium between paying for relay access and trying to stay decentralized. i wouldn't mind spending $5-$10 a month. i'm curious if others feel the same way?

Derek Ross 3y ago

another thought. we may end up seeing clients run their own relays, like Damus does. those clients will charge a monthly fee and/or have advertisements to keep things free.

OLD Jack Chakany npub1chakany8dcz93clv4xgcudcvhnfhdyqutprq2yh72daydevv8zasmuhf02 3y ago

Personally I would only pay a subscription if I were to also get other benefits (ex. Image hosting, verification, etc.). $5-10 a month for a service i could host myself is wild.

OLD Jack Chakany npub1chakany8dcz93clv4xgcudcvhnfhdyqutprq2yh72daydevv8zasmuhf02 3y ago

I also wouldn't mind ads as long as they aren't being targeted torwards me with my data.

Derek Ross 3y ago

Perfect. Thank you.

jason⚡️ 3y ago

Paying for a service would be acceptable to me. I would also like to see this space promote creative, artistic and original content and pay for consumption if I wish to support that.

However that could be a costly venture if relays charge and content is charged.

Perhaps relays would be topic specific and they sponsor certain clients that would draw in users.

Needs to be fleshed out.

Derek Ross 3y ago

I like these ideas, we need more community brainstorming on it for sure.

I wonder if there is something around networks of relay operators banding together, with users subscribing to the relays in the network and paying the network itself for access (rather than relay operators directly). The network could then distribute payments to the operators.

Derek Ross 3y ago

I've seen people discuss using relays in similar manner, to help mobile users or people on slower or limited internet connections. You would broadcast to Relay-A. Then, Relay-A rebroadcasts to Relay-B, Relay-C, Relay-D, etc.

LIVEFOREVER 3y ago

Private/public relay discussions should be on the horizon. I would pay to support protocol/relay runners … also I like the idea of public relays only, but scaling? I have no idea…really😂, but like Bitcoin…I’d be willing to pay to transact:::pay to post 📝 on relays

#plebchain

Derek Ross 3y ago

Agree. I think the greater Bitcoin economy is okay with value for value or pay to post, like you said.

dibalikcrypto2 3y ago

I think "pay to register" to a relay is better than "pay to post", speech should not cost you any penny

More would run their own #nostr relay(s) infrastructures that way

Ben Weeks ⚡ 3y ago

I agree we need to start thinking how that will be done. Conversations with relays on how this could work are happening.

Derek Ross 3y ago

I believe we can make this a community effort, discussing in the open, see what works best for most people, what people want, etc.

dibalikcrypto2 3y ago

#[1]

I thought value 4 value is basically a donation model?

Well, yes and no. It's more than that.

https://value4value.info/

Thanks for the link! As I understand it, it is a model in which a content creator basically has to ask their users to donate in proportion to the value they feel they were provided, correct? I think lightning micropayments are a perfect use case for this, but I still think a lot of people will want to be able to just set a price and charge for content. I can imagine a situation where relays can get overloaded and not enough v4v payments are coming in to cover the cost, for example, since v4v doesn’t rely on proof of payment, and potentially only a small subset of people are paying to publish. I guess all I’m saying is a relay that allows predetermined pricing as opposed to v4v seems more realistic when things start to scale, but I could be wrong

Derek Ross 3y ago

value for value is you provide value, you get value. you consume value, you pay value. everything has cost associated with it.