As long as you're not being annoying then I really don't care.

If you're one of those meat is murder types then yeah that's cringe.

But if you're more of a person concerned about the ethical, and sustainability issues of factory farming, or say that in some instances veganism can be healthier then I support the discourse.

Personally, I disagree with veganism, however I agree that factory farming is unoptimal, beef, and other meats should be free range, organic, few vaccines, or injections as possible, etc.

I also understand that some people say that veganism generally is healthier, or more optimal, and perhaps it is, however the primary reason, I personally disagree with veganism is meat is more nutrition dense.

The amount of food you would have to consume to get the same nutritional value is way higher.

And yes, I know as a mean of water, and land use, per person per calorie, you get more overall from vegetable production, however meat is better when it comes to protein.

So overall, meat production should become more natural, and locally produced at more sustainable levels (which yes would increase its price), however, meat consumption should still be legal, and allowed even if it's reduced globally as an aggregate.

That being said I think omnivore is optimal for humans, meat is a supplement to the nutrition that is difficult for our bodies to extract from fruits, and vegetables.

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You bring up a lot of the points I generally make regarding vegan/carnivore stuffs.

Honestly just want to share some data in this thread for others who might read it.

https://ourworldindata.org/soy

https://www.lifebygeek.com/2012/11/03/how-much-energy-is-in-a-cow/

(This one is just a blog post written over a decade ago, it is difficult to accurately assess the math involved but I have attempted to verify its claims and it certainly has substance)