we won't have to force anybody to leave their current situation for something better like the capitalists create a state that forces folk into selling their labor for a wage. after a few months of wage slavery in anarchocapitalist village, a Marcos Xiorro or Nat Turner is gonna lead a rebellion and bring his crew to kick it with the commies where laborers work for OWNERSHIP.

man as long as you don't try to hire me or any of my anarchocommie homies with your "voLunTarY eMpLoYmEnT cOnTrACts" we will aways serve you a cup of cooporately farmed and ethically grown coffee when you visit our commune

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Sounds rad, I'm down to visit often. I love good coffee

And if I'm convinced, I'm not opposed to the idea of staying and joining the collective. I just don't suppose that'll happen, but I'm open to being convinced always.

One thing that interests me that I'd like to hear your opinion on: in the "ancap village" it's not like there would be a prohibition on collective ownership. If some coffee farm wanted to operate the way you're describing, it doesn't violate anyone's property rights or coerce anyone, so it would be just fine.

But I'm not sure the opposite is true. In "ancom village" if someone wanted to operate a "wage slave" company that employees chose to work at, I suspect such a thing would be forbidden and forceably stopped.

Am I right about that?

If so, what do you think about the fact that one design allows for the other to operate within it, while the other design forbids its counterpart from existing?

it depends on whether or not you consider labor laws protecting an employee against being enslaved into a wage system by a capitalist an infringment on that capitalist's "private property rights".

which brings us back to my first question, is someone's labor and the product of it considered the private property of a single fascist capitalist that has ultimately supreme authority of that person during their shift? i think i know what trump, bezos, musk, and all the usamerikkkan oligarchs would say. the need for an employee to be efficient with their (most amount of wage for least amount of their time) is at odds with the capitalist need to minimize expenditures that eat away at their profit. how is this tension reconciled in ancap??

which brings up another question...why would someone slave themselves for crumb wages when they could work in their community for ownership/split profits of what they are producing doing whatever it is that makes them feel the most fullfilled? what do they need crumbs for when they have wealth at home in the form of support around things like child care, health, school, and all the other things commodified under capitalism for private ownership to profit off of without having to do any actual physical labor or be accountable to their communities??