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This doesn't make sense in the full context of the New Testament. The "nations" clearly exist in Revelations. Some level of governance is legitimized by Jesus and later by Paul. I think you are reading the bible under the influence of ideology, but ideology has consistently failed to provide us decent results. If the nations are worshiping God in the new heaven and earth, clearly there's no intent to destroy them- at least not all of them. There's probably a Sodom or two, but overall we can't pretend nations are not generally a part of God's plan.

Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

Greetings, @august,

So nice to "meet" you here, and Thank You for your thoughtful interaction.🙏🏻😀

Much as I appreciate your reply (forgive me if I'm wrong about this), I suspect you have yet to read what I've written in either of the above articles?🧐 Thus drawing inaccurate conclusions about my position; not surprising because (if you've not yet read me) you've only encountered "the tip of the iceberg."😆

We actually AGREE that "nations" CLEARLY exist; that both Jesus and Paul speak of "governance;" and nations are CLEARLY a part of God's plan.

My use of the term "nation-state" is intentional. Are you aware that in most English translations of the New Testament, the Greek word ἔθνος (ethnos) is rather arbitrarily rendered either "nations" or "Gentiles?" (Please see the entry for "ethnos" in the article below).

https://peakd.com/conspiracy/@creatr/political-power-and-the-connotation-conspiracy

This flip-flop of terms has bent the theology of the English reader, causing most to conflate "the people" with "the government."

You and I are 100% in agreement that we see "the nations" (speaking of PEOPLE, elsewhere translated "Gentiles") worshipping God in the New Heavens and New Earth... It is "the governments," i.e. the "nation-states" that Scripture clearly and repeatedly tells us are satanically run organizations, and that Jesus is presently in the process of destroying.

> "I think you are reading the bible under the influence of ideology."

You know, I am tempted to conclude the same of you?🤣 But I would refer to your ideology as "traditions of men." As I've written about extensively, the traditional doctrines of most western churches are heavily biased by corrupt translations of the Scriptures toward unwarranted faith in nation-states.

> "This doesn't make sense in the full context of the New Testament."

Ah, but it ONLY makes sense in the full context. As I've studied the New Testament, it has become clear that it is actually a HANDBOOK for GOVERNMENT; just not for the KIND of governments we've grown up embedded in.

God has an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT governance structure in mind. Please compare and contrast "nation-states" with GOD's distributed, decentralized, government in which JESUS is "the blessed and ONLY Sovereign" as described here:

https://peakd.com/kingdom/@creatr/the-state-or-god-s-kingdom-a-comparison-chart

> "...clearly there's no intent to destroy them- at least not all of them."

Au contrare; please re-read Daniel 2? As well as several other passages cited in the above articles?😀 Jesus is destroying ALL the nations, except for the ONE nation Peter describes in his first letter:

"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light." - 1 Peter 2:9

Thank you again--very sincerely--for responding. I'm more than glad to answer any additional questions you may have, especially after you've had a chance to read the above articles.🙏🏻💖👍

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August 1y ago

I read it like I read an old ideological text I used to be fond of.

Used to call myself an anarchist as many influenced by the Austrian school of economics did. But it became apparent that there's a trap- the ideology prevents the implementation of principles, so you just basically embark on a never-ending attempt to "educate" the other people.

Well a lot of other people want power and will take it if they have a chance.

And a lot of people actually prefer to be subordinate. They want direction- someone to tell them what to do and/or that things will be okay.

In the bible there's patriarchy. There are kings. There's slavery- particularly noticeable because folks could be fine upstanding members of the faithful and keep slaves.

But instead of having a rather small hierarchy over our heads, now we have bureaucracy. Ten thousand rather than a few. And they tell us we are more free now. Hah!