I get your point, and kinda agree. Yet, I have dabbled, and think it's worthwhile now and then.
I think it's useful to witness how fluid perception can be... or something like that.
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I think it can be an interesting experience but if you wanted to make a change and didn’t have access to psychedelics, you’d still find a way to change without it.
This meme supports my stance. I don’t need to take a sketchy mind altering substance to know that it doesn’t create change. I can just look at others who have taken them and see it didn’t make any significant changes. I’m not even exaggerating when I say that there isn’t a single person I know that has taken psychedelics that I want to be more like 😂
lol, guess it could be seen both ways.
That last line is funny, but if it changes nothing, then I would expect some people you know are worth emulating a bit, and some of those people have possibly tried stuff 🤷♂️
Every time I’ve gotten a good source of shrooms, I’ve had a good time. Nothing needed changing per se but it does take you outta this world for a little while. 🪐☄️
Yeah I think if you do it for fun that’s fine but be honest about that instead of talking about healing journeys and spiritual awakenings 😂
I’ve tried shrooms few enough times to count with one hand with fingers left over, and low doses too to boot. So emphasis on LIMITED, when I say experience, it didn’t make me happier like a switch turning on and off, or give me some earth shattering realization. What I did notice is a greater….capacity…for happiness in my state, things that I would have usually ignored or been somewhat indifferent to, I had a greater, idk, appreciation for the state of the world as it is. I didn’t go “out of this world”, it was a rare dose of grounding me to it in a way that pleasantly surprised me. And apparently non addictive? I get the gov psyop angle, however my first thought when reading that was, consider the dozens of cultures globally who’ve used psychedelics historically. True, they didn’t exactly have their hands on the Orange Sunshine that Manson was dishing out, but ur telling be they can trip balls on frog dmt for centuries and it’s suddenly a problem cause what, we isolated the compound? Same thing happened to weed, got too strong for all the old heads they want their 9% bud back 🤷🏾♂️
I’m not familiar with the substances people are using today but I can’t imagine that it’s the same as what our ancestors used. But even if it is the same thing, our ancestors also believed that the sun gods needed human sacrifices to bring in rain. Just because our ancestors attached some spiritual meaning to a hallucination, it doesn’t mean it’s useful for us today.
Nice, like the way you framed that! Okay let’s discuss, I’m personally theist; so I’m not going to use the Stoned Ape theory, Moses talking to an acacia tree or some new age theory to justify why psychedelic substances are not only useful, but critical to our species. I’ll start by directly responding to, what are some things that are, and have been, useful or in other words a benefit to specifically us human beings? Concisely I will list: survival, reproduction, innovation/adaptability, and our consciousness (the unique trait as an organism that has allowed us to reign over the animal kingdom realistically). Fair? Let’s briefly recall we are not the only animals that get intoxicated either, birds drink rotten fruit, lemurs eat millipedes to get fucked, and ofc, dolphins passing around their blowfish pipe to name a few. Perhaps before religion, sun gods included, I know that’s deepp rooted, there was something even more instinctual inside. Maybe a natural part of life, whether you don’t play taxes and swim in the ocean all that🐬, or have to slave away all your good years until you’re a shrill husk of themselves🧍, is about the playing with the line. Dancing to the edge of the unknown, reality’s structure itself. Maybe our ability to harness, manipulate, weave the ideas from that pool of conscious that we can so infrequently access is what got us as far as we are at all, are is vital for our ability to create and continue moving forward. You and I might think of ourselves as fringe at times,but I’m referring to those who reallyy plunge into the deep end, true artists/innovators are often if not always regarded as crazy at once point or another, someone has to push the bounds. Does that mean most the people who talk about how they discovered empathy in their thirties because of a drug deserve any attention or credibility, fuck no…true for me too, idk anyone who become a great person overnight because of ts. However we’re getting anecdotal talking about the people we know, soo I can’t right off the utility as a whole because I’m maybe not the target audience for that substance, haven’t done enough to tell ya. I’m not rushing to either, because I don’t look to “things” to give me answers, and I think that’s what it’s rly about, for the people who wield it correctly it may not even be about the hallucinations. It could be that your perception on how, why and what is possible shifts, making you more susceptible to inspiration. Next day they draw up blueprints for something never seen before n after a lifetime of R&D they patent a flying car, I don’t wanna stop that train before it leaves the station is all you feel me😂😂
That's just because you aren't enlightened enough to want the right things for yourself bro.
Jokes aside I suspect there is value there but it takes more than just getting high to find it. Kinda like doing steroids without ever going to the gym.
An example. The track record for quitting addictions like smoking and drinking after psychedelic therapy is better than any other addiction treatment. Those people are talking to a trained professional while high, not just watching cartoons.
Interesting. Do you have a source?
These were combined with psychotherapy interesting. Small studies though
Yeah, definitely early days and small studies due to the war on drugs and schedule 1 status.
Talk therapy while under the influence seems to be key. Psychedelics cause sudden bursts of neuron growth. Without any intention maintained throughout there is no control over that growth. By keeping the subject on track talking about the change they want to make and why they want to make that change it focuses the neuron growth in productive ways.
If your friends all got high and watched Ren and Stimpy what part of their brain was growing?
That’s very interesting. So neuron growth is the key. That would explain how they used it for mind control. That’s really scary if you have someone influencing you toward something that isn’t useful.