I’ve considered it many times but it just seems retarded. I’ve yet to meet someone who has significantly benefited from it.
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I get your point, and kinda agree. Yet, I have dabbled, and think it's worthwhile now and then.
I think it's useful to witness how fluid perception can be... or something like that.
I think it can be an interesting experience but if you wanted to make a change and didn’t have access to psychedelics, you’d still find a way to change without it.
This meme supports my stance. I don’t need to take a sketchy mind altering substance to know that it doesn’t create change. I can just look at others who have taken them and see it didn’t make any significant changes. I’m not even exaggerating when I say that there isn’t a single person I know that has taken psychedelics that I want to be more like 😂
lol, guess it could be seen both ways.
That last line is funny, but if it changes nothing, then I would expect some people you know are worth emulating a bit, and some of those people have possibly tried stuff 🤷♂️
Every time I’ve gotten a good source of shrooms, I’ve had a good time. Nothing needed changing per se but it does take you outta this world for a little while. 🪐☄️
Yeah I think if you do it for fun that’s fine but be honest about that instead of talking about healing journeys and spiritual awakenings 😂
I’ve tried shrooms few enough times to count with one hand with fingers left over, and low doses too to boot. So emphasis on LIMITED, when I say experience, it didn’t make me happier like a switch turning on and off, or give me some earth shattering realization. What I did notice is a greater….capacity…for happiness in my state, things that I would have usually ignored or been somewhat indifferent to, I had a greater, idk, appreciation for the state of the world as it is. I didn’t go “out of this world”, it was a rare dose of grounding me to it in a way that pleasantly surprised me. And apparently non addictive? I get the gov psyop angle, however my first thought when reading that was, consider the dozens of cultures globally who’ve used psychedelics historically. True, they didn’t exactly have their hands on the Orange Sunshine that Manson was dishing out, but ur telling be they can trip balls on frog dmt for centuries and it’s suddenly a problem cause what, we isolated the compound? Same thing happened to weed, got too strong for all the old heads they want their 9% bud back 🤷🏾♂️
I’m not familiar with the substances people are using today but I can’t imagine that it’s the same as what our ancestors used. But even if it is the same thing, our ancestors also believed that the sun gods needed human sacrifices to bring in rain. Just because our ancestors attached some spiritual meaning to a hallucination, it doesn’t mean it’s useful for us today.
Nice, like the way you framed that! Okay let’s discuss, I’m personally theist; so I’m not going to use the Stoned Ape theory, Moses talking to an acacia tree or some new age theory to justify why psychedelic substances are not only useful, but critical to our species. I’ll start by directly responding to, what are some things that are, and have been, useful or in other words a benefit to specifically us human beings? Concisely I will list: survival, reproduction, innovation/adaptability, and our consciousness (the unique trait as an organism that has allowed us to reign over the animal kingdom realistically). Fair? Let’s briefly recall we are not the only animals that get intoxicated either, birds drink rotten fruit, lemurs eat millipedes to get fucked, and ofc, dolphins passing around their blowfish pipe to name a few. Perhaps before religion, sun gods included, I know that’s deepp rooted, there was something even more instinctual inside. Maybe a natural part of life, whether you don’t play taxes and swim in the ocean all that🐬, or have to slave away all your good years until you’re a shrill husk of themselves🧍, is about the playing with the line. Dancing to the edge of the unknown, reality’s structure itself. Maybe our ability to harness, manipulate, weave the ideas from that pool of conscious that we can so infrequently access is what got us as far as we are at all, are is vital for our ability to create and continue moving forward. You and I might think of ourselves as fringe at times,but I’m referring to those who reallyy plunge into the deep end, true artists/innovators are often if not always regarded as crazy at once point or another, someone has to push the bounds. Does that mean most the people who talk about how they discovered empathy in their thirties because of a drug deserve any attention or credibility, fuck no…true for me too, idk anyone who become a great person overnight because of ts. However we’re getting anecdotal talking about the people we know, soo I can’t right off the utility as a whole because I’m maybe not the target audience for that substance, haven’t done enough to tell ya. I’m not rushing to either, because I don’t look to “things” to give me answers, and I think that’s what it’s rly about, for the people who wield it correctly it may not even be about the hallucinations. It could be that your perception on how, why and what is possible shifts, making you more susceptible to inspiration. Next day they draw up blueprints for something never seen before n after a lifetime of R&D they patent a flying car, I don’t wanna stop that train before it leaves the station is all you feel me😂😂
That's just because you aren't enlightened enough to want the right things for yourself bro.
Jokes aside I suspect there is value there but it takes more than just getting high to find it. Kinda like doing steroids without ever going to the gym.
An example. The track record for quitting addictions like smoking and drinking after psychedelic therapy is better than any other addiction treatment. Those people are talking to a trained professional while high, not just watching cartoons.
Interesting. Do you have a source?
These were combined with psychotherapy interesting. Small studies though
Yeah, definitely early days and small studies due to the war on drugs and schedule 1 status.
Talk therapy while under the influence seems to be key. Psychedelics cause sudden bursts of neuron growth. Without any intention maintained throughout there is no control over that growth. By keeping the subject on track talking about the change they want to make and why they want to make that change it focuses the neuron growth in productive ways.
If your friends all got high and watched Ren and Stimpy what part of their brain was growing?
That’s very interesting. So neuron growth is the key. That would explain how they used it for mind control. That’s really scary if you have someone influencing you toward something that isn’t useful.
I did a yopo ceremony when I was younger. Didn't take me long after that to quit my job start a business & get engaged. What I experienced, while hard to describe, was akin to discovering fire for the first time. It changed my life for the better.
What is that?
How did it change you? What was it like?
At the time, I was going through a rough patch. Things were tense within my family, so much so that it created a major rift between relatives.
Professionally, I was coaching hockey but had grown to hate it. My boss constantly took advantage of my contract, and I felt stuck. I wanted to quit and go back to school, but I had already given all my savings to help my parents keep their house. They ended up losing it anyway.
All of this started to take a toll on my relationship with my girlfriend, who’s now my wife.
Around then, a coworker mentioned that a South American shaman he knew would be in town, offering ceremonies meant to help people heal. I figured I had nothing to lose and decided to give it a shot. Up until that point, I had only tried cannabis once and didn’t drink, so this was completely outside my comfort zone.
As the link explains, before taking the medicine, the shaman gives you bark that helps the yopo take hold.
While I waited the 20 or so minutes before the ceremony began, the shaman’s assistant sat with me to help clarify my intention. When I felt ready, the shaman came out, purified the space, and asked what I hoped to gain from the experience. I told him I felt like I was trapped in a dark corridor and needed to find a way out.
He crushed the yopo seeds into a fine powder and handed them to me, instructing me to hold my intention in mind as I took in the medicine.
As soon as I inhaled, the drums started (loud, rhythmic, primal) and the shaman and his assistant began to sing. It felt like that scene in Batman Begins, when Bruce Wayne inhales the fear-inducing smoke: sounds and visuals became overwhelmingly vivid.
Then I started vomiting. But it didn’t feel like normal nausea. It was as if I was expelling sadness, anger, and pain that had been lodged inside me for years. With each wave, I felt lighter. Physically. Mentally. Emotionally.
Once the purging stopped, that’s when I left. Not the room... I left. I felt like I had died and my soul had slipped free from my body.
I was floating in space... no body, no time, just awareness. Just a spirit of someone who used to be. At first, I reminisced about my life and even laughed at the idea of dying from a drug overdose. I thought, Man, Tas is going to be so pissed.
But as time stretched on, if you could even call it time, I lost track. Had I been dead for a month? A year? A thousand years? I couldn’t remember. Slowly, I started forgetting who I even was. My name, my past, everything blurred, except for one thing: the name Tas. I didn’t know who that was anymore, but I knew I had to find out. I needed to get back to her. I didn’t know why, I just knew I had to.
Then, suddenly, I was back.
I didn’t realize it at first, but I had returned to my body. I was lying in the same room, surrounded by strangers who all felt familiar. There was the shaman, his assistant, my coworker all watching me quietly, smiling.
I looked at the shaman and asked, “Are you God?”
He just laughed and shook his head. I tossed a pillow at him for fun. It made everyone laugh. It felt right.
Everything around me seemed magical, like I was rediscovering the world for the first time. Candles amazed me, they could light a room and provide heat? Pillows were impossibly soft. I couldn’t believe these magical things existed and provided such comfort.
I became obsessed with the candles, staring at the flames. That’s when the shaman asked if I wanted to see a bigger fire. He led me outside to a fire pit, where the flame roared. The heat and light pulled at me. I moved toward it, almost stepping in, until he gently held me back.
And that’s when I woke up.
It felt like surfacing from a dream, with one foot still in the other world and the other just beginning to touch down in this one. The two realities slowly untangled, and I finally remembered how I had gotten there.
Tas is Sat backward 🤔
Never done anything that strong, not close, but have had the forget name dissociative thing once. Very calming and surreal
I hadn't realised that. That's an interesting observation haha.
That was my first of three ceremonies. The other two were just as intense.
The second was about overcoming fears. The third to learn how to tune out the noise.
i fascinated with these experiences. in part because i have had several of them but never took anything. i dont say that in any way to suggest that is better, im just fascinated by it.
My MMA coach had a few of those through breathing exercises and meditation. Funny enough, it was the same yopo ceremies that got him interested in learning it.
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Very interesting. The vomiting really stood out to me. Do you feel like the effects have lasted or do you feel like they dulled over the years?
What do you mean by the effects? Just to make sure I'm answering properly.
Like how it changed your life. Are you more patient? Detached? Less anxious?
Aaaah I see.
The first experience taught me about passion and love.
The second, about commitment and determination.
The third, about control and stability.
Each of those lessons stuck and they’ve all shaped who I am today.
We all drift from our best selves at times, but I’ve got a north star to guide me back.
