Like fedi's? Cashu's? Or do those not count?

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They don't count because they are 1:1 bitcoin.

Just pointing out that no matter how you scale 1:1 or 1:? the next layers will always require belief in the ratio/extra trust.

That currently might be the case. How are you so sure it'll be that way indefinitely?

Fedi and echash are the only exception IMO