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To be even more fair to your point, the biggest recipients of welfare are not people, but large businesses and corporations. And the government already selectively discriminates against businesses it doesn’t like, while funding businesses that it does.

Don’t you see how welfare is the mechanism which enables that dependency in the first place? Very little of our taxes are spent giving food and shelter to the poor. The vast majority of them are spend on bribes and handouts which create dependency and help political parties and the state in general achieve its goals.

I think that every human has something of value that they can provide for others. Even if it’s not monetary, and comes in the form of companionship or some intangible relationship.

To say that people need government, need taxes, need welfare, because they aren’t capable of providing for themselves or have no one in their lives willing to help them, is degrading to those people. If we stop stealing from the working class through taxes and inflation, and you’ll see just how capable the average person is. And that’s what makes life, and humanity, beautiful.

Sikto 2y ago

I do not believe that I said anything in this thread in opposition to your points above.

As you have said, I would be in support of any policy that enables people to be less dependent on the state.

I guess the only place where we may disagree is that I believe that there will always be a group of people who do not have support, who can’t provide for themselves, and the generosity of other people would not suffice.

I believe in supporting these people, and believe our institutions and government still has a role to play in this. I agree with the sentiment that it should be as small as possible.

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Zach⚡️ 2y ago

Then we are in agreement. I agree with what you’re saying, it’s unfair and immoral to suspend welfare for political opponents and I would prefer institutions at least pretend to have some objectivity.

I suppose the only thing which even made me engage was the comparison to the Trucker convoy. Withholding charity is not theft, even if the results can be just as damaging. Confiscating funds from bank accounts is theft.