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You seriously care more about what’s in the mempool than what’s in the actual blockchain?

That’s like caring more about what’s on the menu than what food the waiter gives you.

First you and I are ultimately in agreement here but I think a less confusing metaphor would be

It’s like going to a restaurant that can make anything as long as it follows food safety laws (consensus)

If you’re a miner, you literally have access to the kitchen and say over what gets made altogether- because you purchased the ingredients and run the show

Standardness on nodes is like the restaurant saying “we have a menu because it makes our kitchen run smoothly” (but technically if you are the kitchen staff you’re not limited) as a customer you are limited but you could also put in a special order it just might get messed up or slow or expensive or something (out of band tx)

And if you’re running knots you’re saying “I’m gluten free- gluten anywhere near me will make me die please only serve me very gluten free food” but you’re in a restaraunt full of things made from flour so while they might say “this is gluten free” it’s probably not

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DagzTagz 7mo ago

I like this filter metaphor so leaving here for my own reuse

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btcttombola 7mo ago 💬 1

nice metaphor.

so you are dying.

And will survive only fat nodes that eat everything.

And the restaurant will just serve more fat and cheaper bad "food".

Until all customer live the restaurant or die because of diseases.

Is it the end of the restaurant that everyone want in the end ?

DagzTagz 7mo ago 💬 3

Exactly, no we really just want a restaurant that is honest that it is full of flour as it was intended to be by design

And if you like gluten free food, there’s probably other options out there but this might not be it ya know

I do think the option of having the menu gives the people cosplaying a sense of “I’m eating gluten free” even though they are not during sync

btcttombola 7mo ago

It seems the original design was not exactly to have 1 restaurant but 2. One for junk foods and one for fresh cheap food. The fact is there is only 1 restaurant one day that serve both and have the aim to serve only junk food for more profitability. But not sure if customer don'y have any choice, the restaurant will stay open a long time.

Satoshi : "The networks need to have separate fates. BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28696#msg28696

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg28917

btcttombola 7mo ago

Sorry for my last "quick" answer with fault that i can't edit.

I get your point, and it is nice we talk about theses visions.

I agree with you on the honest part needed.

That's why all this "drama" (for m e it is more a vision of bitcoin future) is not useless.

Thanks for your help in that.

Eric FJ 🪬⚡️ 7mo ago

If “full of flour” means unlimited witness data, then I think the restaurant actually fucked up at some point and nobody has the balls to fix it.

Some flour (like maybe 400kb of flour) seems like a reasonable design choice that allows everything you can think of that needs to be made with flour.

The idiot(s) that said unlimited flour wouldn’t cause the restaurant to be filled with flour because nobody would ever in their right mind do that… did not have enough of an adversarial mindset.

Deleted Account 7mo ago

That’s not a bad analogy.

The only difference I’d consider is that, even if you prefer to eat gluten-free, it’s better to know that you’re eating gluten, rather than live in ignorance.

Bogi 7mo ago 💬 2

I think mempool policy would be more like passing the menu around the table and letting people choose what to order. The knots people are like “I’m gluten free only get that menu away from me” then proceed to throw the menu in the trash and not continue to pass the menu along. Or tear out the gluten sections of the menu then pass it along.

DagzTagz 7mo ago

They also yell at the waiter 😅 and the kitchen staff for working at the restaurant