Nostr Web Client

Google is no better, just easier to get around their cuckery for now. Supporting them is not the answer, we need better solutions.

Bowing to Apple's tyranny is not a solution either. Nor is censoring a Nostr economy because someone with money said so.

nobody 2y ago

I think that’s a point worth developing though. There is no “better option.” Google is not our friend, and buying an Android phone contributes directly to Googles bottom line, whether you put Graphene on it or not. It still signals to the market that Android sells phones and makes Google money.

There have been several attempts to make a compelling alternative and *every single one has failed*. The last example I even considered having a shot at success was Ubuntu Phone, and it’s dead.

PinePhone was never more than a tinkerer’s device.

There has to be a *compelling alternative* before it matters. Android is open source the same way Darwin is open source. Nobody actually uses it in an open fashion except some freaks like us. 99% of them are just using Google Play.

The open ecosystem will never have a chance until they produce something more compelling than the closed ones do. Openness is not enough for most people, and all we have to do is look at the current state of politics in most of the world for proof of that.

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🥩ℝ𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕘𝕒𝕕𝕖 ₿𝕦𝕥𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕣⚡ 2y ago

Do what do we do about it?

nobody 2y ago

Yes. That’s the thing isn’t it? What do we do about it. The issue as far as I see it, is social, not technological.

Nostr has the same problem that everywhere has. 99% of people are bad at planning. They want to have shiny right now for the money. They don’t want to pay for something they may or may not get in the future.

It took both Apple and Google years of time and billions of dollars to get where they are today. That’s why the 1% are rich. Risk tolerance and delayed gratification.

Relays and clients here are not financially feasible. People want it for free. So we’re already humoring the idea of ads.

The most popular Linux distributions are corporately supported.

So are all the biggest open source libraries and packages.

See the pattern here?

Society has to be willing to invest in itself before a societally free product will exist. I’ve been saying it for ages, including in my recent article. People really have no right to complain unless they are in the small minority of folks who actually fund these things with more than a pittance. Plenty of them are here, but there just isn’t a critical mass to support the work sustainably. We have 18,000 active weekly users (Nostr.band stat). Apple has 1.2 Billion people funding them. It’s a systemic problem.

🥩ℝ𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕘𝕒𝕕𝕖 ₿𝕦𝕥𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕣⚡ 2y ago

💯

The reason these big corporations pull this shit is because we let them. And everyone wants to beat the war drums when something fucked up happens, but forget about supporting the little guy when the shiny toy is easy. This is echoed through history.

Dash 2y ago

Degoogled Android is more censorship resistant than iOS. This is because users can download and install apks directly or use alternative app stores like Fdroid. In the specific case of defending ones right to send zaps, android as lf today is better than iOS. It's not perfect. But this specific of censorship in the Apple store, highlights that at the very least Android is a more robust option for censorship resistance.

nobody 2y ago

That’s true. I’m not arguing that at all. It’s the lesser of two evils in this case. But it’s still evil.

Sikto 2y ago

Just use desktop clients?

nobody 2y ago

Desktop is definitely more free, but my criticism also applies to Linux vs. everything else.

It’s not a criticism of the project or the people either. It’s a criticism of society that produces these corporate behemoths.

The world is just people. People’s behavior created these things.

Sikto 2y ago

🎯 and this situation helps to shine a light on it for people who may have not been aware, or were/are willing to make tradeoffs. Me maybe not anymore?

The pendulum is swinging, albeit slowly, but it’s moving.

Sikto 2y ago

“Me” was a typo 🤦‍♂️