Privacy is not about the coin you use. This is why you don't get it.

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What you don't get is that most people are not cypherpunks but we still need something that works for them.

Opsec works for everyone

99% of people don't even understand the concept of opsec. Privacy on bitcoin is for nerds only.

Privacy is everyone's individual responsibility. No amount of hand holding will fix it. Time to learn.

Ok bro. Nobody learned to use PGP but everybody can use signal. Monero is like signal.

+1

to skip to the end of this painfully disingenuous conversation

people who buy non-KYC will generally also have a KYC stack as well.

and this clowns advice of "just be sure to never ever do anything to connect your two stacks" is fucking ridiculous.

particularly when you could

you know

just use monero and not worry about it.

Disagree, it is very valuable to have a no KYC bitcoin stack, not for transacting but in the case of a 6102 or unrealized gains tax. Still should spend in monero or lightning.

yeah I wasn't saying you shouldn't have one.

just that it's impractical to use both privately

Everyone loves to build their car from scratch themselves before being able to drive one

Nobody is using signal but we all use PGP.

i am using signal. you have to be mad to use whatsapp

MamaGrinder uses WhatsApp. How dare you calling Mum mad!

my parents use facebook. younger people should know better though.

Yes pgp

disingenuous.

privacy is ALSO the tool you use.

nordVPN : "privacy is ALSO the tool you use."

huh?

privacy is ALSO the tool you use.

whatever bruv

Exactly, using the best tools for private transactions falls under proper opsec

the argument of "you can just buy non-KYC" is horseshit for a number of reasons

but the two that stick out are:

one.

most people DON'T buy non-KYC. so while bitcoin has a lot of on chain activity, most of it is kyced. your non-KYCed utxos stick out for CA and you are hiding in a VASTLY smaller anonset.

this problem is solved by the fungibility offered in Monero. spent kyced coins are indistinguishable from others

two

most people who have a non-KYCed stack will also have a kyced stack. saying t them "just always keep them separate" denies the reality of most people's *actual usage*.

it is a huge foot gun and they will inevitably do something that connects their non-KYCed stack, forever ruining the effort they invested in acquiring it in the first place.

again, this is solved in monero with default privacy and default fungibility.

maxitards deny reality when it suits them and argue disingenuously from a position of "Bitcoin MUST be used."

they dont give a shit about user safety.

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