I accept that logic if one accepts the axiom that there is an ulterior motive to the universe and our existence.
What you said would not be truth if we happen to live in a chaotic meaningless void.
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If we lived in a chaotic meaningless void, there could be no logic and no relation between cause and effect. There is, so we don't.
I disagree. Chaos is just a macro effect. On a fundamental level, there is still order.
How, if chaos helms the universe? Order comes not from disorder. The universe is rational, rationality is the byproduct of a mind. What then are the necessary preconditions of rationality?
Chaos is just the recognition of our human failure to assimilate enough information. There is no chaos on a fundamental level otherwise there would no consistency.
Just because the fundamental laws are consistent on a physical level, does not mean the Universe has a meaning on a human level.
Where did the consistent, rational fundamental, laws come from?
From a mind, or from matter?
If a mind, what kind of mind?
If matter, how could matter have volition and "arrange" and where did it come from in the first place (since something cannot come from nothing)?
matter = quantity
mind = quality
I can create a virtual world with my own laws on a computer. It could still be meaningless.
Intelligent design does not imply a specific intent.
Even if it did, it is in no way guaranteed that such an intent would be at all related to the cocerns of humans. The same way we breed animals but don't concern ourselves with their morality.
I expect my dog not to bite people.
Do you think its just too unreasonable to think that a mind that made all this and all of us wouldn't also go to great lengths to let us know who he is and why he did it?
Idk the crowd that states "the world is meaningless and we are just specks in the universe" are denying their own logic by arguing that nothing matters.
If "nothing matters", then why voice that "nothing matters"? It DOESN'T MATTER to them.
Any retort by them should be ignored because to them, IT DOESN'T MATTER
Why not voice it? There's a sense of liberation in knowing there's no plan and that you can make your own.
its fine to have the perspective, but it means nothing to the person who is being convinced, that the person arguing for said perspective doesn't believe what they're saying themselves.
There is no room to criticize anyone because it "doesn't matter"
Ofc people that disagree on the axioms will disagree on the logical outcome.
There is plenty of room for criticism even without objective morality.
Why is there room?
Because we are social beings who often reach broad consenus about what is right and wrong even if it's not entirely objective.
It's very reasonable from our human perspective but not at all a logical guarantee.
...what, then, guarantees logic?
What must be true in order for logic to exist at all? And BTW, we are presupposing, perhaps even proving, the existence of that something by proceeding down a logical course.
The question is semantically invalid. Logic guaeantees itself since otherwise, it could not exist.
Logic is self-existant and volitional? You're nearly there: it is also personal.
"In the beginning was the [logos], and the [logos] was with God, and the [logos] was God.. .. And the [logos] became flesh, and dwelt among us..." [John 1](https://esv.org/John+1).
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