Creators need to make a living.
Discussion
Zaps?
Yes, but some content will lend itself to Zapwalls, subscriptions, zap to unlock, etc.
A lot of different models could/should work.
You don’t have to monetise actual eyeballs.
You can monetise merchandise, services, engagement, lots of options.
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Stu, with this logic, I could argue that paying for merchandise is censoring poor people 😂
Merchandise isn’t information.
You can’t censor goods and services can you? Only information?
I’m thinking aloud here.
In a way you can, taxes and tariffs, sanctions, laws etc. It censors by paywall in a similar way in my opinion
But also, I do agree that if there isn’t a way for creators to be paid then a lot of good content will never be created.
I’m pragmatic, not really an ideologist.
The real crux of the issue, something has to give somewhere realistically
Sure, the big relays are current burning through circa $10k a year and that’s with about 8,000 active users.
Seems like we as users should each be spending $1-5 a year on nostr.
Meta has $120bn revenue from 2bn users. So they are making $60/yr from each user.
Seems achievable, just need some biz models.
Value for value means if you like it you zap them, which should drive great content creation. To me, having a paywall for content on nostr is kinda just creating an opportunity for rugging quality
Also there is a distinction to be made between content and things like hosting or relays. Those would fall under goods/services
“Superfollowing” were one of my most unfavorite aspects of the shitty bird app and it almost sounds like people want to recreate that here 🥺
Zaps are the best way I think. So simple and scalable.
At big tech scale you could potentially earn a lot from creating viral content for real humans.
It seems very wrong that Apple have blocked zaps. At eg TikTok scale it would be a complete deal breaker if I could get zaps on Android but not iPhone.
Agee here. Zaps are better. 🤝🏻 Zaps has Apple afraid.
I’m not sure how we can have freedom, without supporting people who fight for it. The idealist believes this can be done through the generosity and a belief in V4V. I’m sceptical that this will be enough. There needs to be a way for freedom fighters to monetize their work. Selling one’s followers to advertisers is not the way, but nostr opens up a multitude of avenues to explore beyond just the V4V model.
Personally, I would be happy to pay for a subscription for relays and the use of a client, and would pay zaps to unlock a reputable persons content, zap to donate to a non profit such as relayable, and zap individuals for memes, jokes, insightful comments etc.
So using me as an example, there are 4 models I would use to support the ecosystem.
This thread 😮💨🔥
#grownostr #paynostr
That's not the appropriate framing for any discussion about development of an open and free protocol suite (such as NOSTR).
The appropriate framing is that existing and prospective users want services and content AND ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
The features should be driven by user demand and desires — not be the those of "content providers."
The major problems with commercial social media platforms emerge from the choice to cater to "providers" (most advertisers and marketers — pushing "content" on the one hand, and ingesting user data for monetization on the other).
It ultimately degenerates into the "enshittification" that's described by the Doctorow doctrine:
You misunderstand my point. This thread has more detailed responses and discussion. Content providers will not determine how nostr is structured but there need to be avenues for them to use, which don’t affect the end users that don’t wish to use those avenues, if nostr is to grow. It’s about choice for the users and the people who create content. Maybe you want to stream and have sats sent, maybe you want to put it behind a zap wall. Maybe you are a user who doesn’t like zap walls so you only view streams that are open and choose to zap the creator during the stream.
Choice is the key here and content providers need choice just like end users.
Yep, as soon AI gets 10x better and cheaper, no human creator will be able to provide more value than an AI via internet
Sad but true, human skills are only real social interactions
LLM chat AI systems are changing our perception of what are uniquely human skills.
Ironically, prostitution may become one of the most highly valued services because actual, in-the-flesh, interactions may remain impossible to artificially replicate/simulate.
Non-sexual, more traditional geisha (芸者) services may also also experience a resurgence for the same reasons.
Also 10x improvement may be achieved in only a bit over five years. It could follpw Moore's Law, doubling in capacity roughly every 18 months. 10x is an increment past two doublings.
Well said!