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Given the size and complexity of the universe with our basic (and exceptionally incomplete) current understanding do you think humans can ever possibly uncover all there is to know? Base reality gets too small and too large. The numbers are too big. Can you guess a specific private key? It’s “possible”, but it’s actually not possible. The numbers for “knowing all” are bigger. Way bigger. It’s well past what’s possible.

I find it very telling the religious people take exception to the statement “evidence should determine belief” as it digs into the heart of why religion is an erroneous belief system.

nbyte 1y ago

You are absolutly correct that evidence shold determine belief. And yet you are here insisting that the evidence is unknowable. Where you are unaware is that religion has little to do with faith. Men find out they can manipulate people with religion and Ah Ha! What a wonderful tool it is to them.

Faith is something else, and is only possible to understand through opening the mind to the word of God. What is knowable about God is manifest and percieved by the things made. One has to seek the evidence. Yes there is a creator, and yes, he has power beyond our understanding. He ensured that we would have access to everything we need in order to believe it, and yet concealed enough of it that we have to really seek it out.

Stop listening to the nonsense from men and seek the knowledge from the creator.

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BTC_P2P 1y ago

Credible evidence should determine belief. But everything can’t be known credibly - the scales are too big and too small and complexity unending. Therefore, certainty in belief can’t exist in every realm. That’s it. That’s the point.

Thank you for your input and we mostly agree here. I don’t agree with anthropomorphizing god as a “he” but most everything else, yes.

To the best of my ability my conception of god is that it is The Fundamental Force within everything (the fundamental building blocks of the universe) that make things work, interact and evolve - entropy. And so I see god everywhere and I’m in constant awe of the world and its unending complexity and beauty and entropy.

nbyte 1y ago

"Credible evidence should determine belief. But everything can’t be known credibly - the scales are too big and too small and complexity unending. Therefore, certainty in belief can’t exist in every realm. That’s it. That’s the point."

I agree with you, however, keep on seeking and you will find. There is such a thing as 'the more important things'. Those words are true, spoken to us by the Son of God. I was not there and yet I believe. The credible evidence is recorded for me in a book that miraculously has been preserved for thousands of years against strong efforts to have it removed and altered. I believe the book is preserved becuase I see the power of the one preserving it, and 'his' power is undeniable. ('he' created us male and female, so our understanding uses that construct: It is not simply language, in that the head of the woman is the man, and the head of the man is Christ, and the head of the Christ is God) Men keep on twisting the things written, so we need to test what they say against what we know using all credible evidence we believe to be accurate. 😀