Relays use DBs and kind-0 is special in that it is replaceable. Relays are supposed to only share the last received, so they have to filter out or delete older ones.
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>From: Giszmo47 at 07/29/22 12:19:07 on wss://nostr-relay.wlvs.space
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>Relays use DBs and kind-0 is special in that it is replaceable. Relays are supposed to only share the last received, so they have to filter out or delete older ones.
NIP-01 is not quite that demanding. It says: "A relay may delete past set_metadata events once it gets a new one for the same pubkey." I had previously missed the fact that a relay MIGHT only send the latest metadata.
Honestly, I think that's a mistake. Deleting history is a dangerous precedent IMHO. I wonder what #[6] thinks about that?
In NostrPostr I copied what I found in another relay implementation: Set older entries to "hidden". As I find the evolving follows graph highly interesting, I do not intend to delete that data any soon. There is also people offering historic data that I missed.
>From: unclebobmartin at 07/29/22 18:44:08 on wss://wlvs.space
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>>From: Giszmo47 at 07/29/22 12:19:07 on wss://nostr-relay.wlvs.space
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>>Relays use DBs and kind-0 is special in that it is replaceable. Relays are supposed to only share the last received, so they have to filter out or delete older ones.
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>NIP-01 is not quite that demanding. It says: "A relay may delete past set_metadata events once it gets a new one for the same pubkey." I had previously missed the fact that a relay MIGHT only send the latest metadata.
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>Honestly, I think that's a mistake. Deleting history is a dangerous precedent IMHO. I wonder what #[7] thinks about that?
And now I'll use the correct pubkey for #[8]. At least I think it's the correct one. There are five profiles out there that claim to be fiatjaf.
querying kind3 helps with this a bit
This bothers me on two fronts.
1. As I stated before I don't like the idea that relays can delete old data -- it's a kind of temporal censorship.
2. I don't like the idea that relays are a kind of personal database that allow users to squirrel away their private data. There are plenty of other options for that.
>From: jb55 at 07/30/22 09:43:19 on wss://nostr-relay.wlvs.space
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>querying kind3 helps with this a bit
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I find it's useful for building a web of trust, and seeing followers for discoverability. but yeah it's optional I guess... can't imagine using a twitter-like client without it though.
I definitely want the web of trust. So perhaps you can descibe how kind-3 serves that purpose. The way I look at it, it's no better than a file containing pubkeys and petnames that I keep on my laptop.
>From: jb55 at 07/30/22 09:54:31 on wss://relay.nostr.info
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>I find it's useful for building a web of trust, and seeing followers for discoverability. but yeah it's optional I guess... can't imagine using a twitter-like client without it though.
metadata and follows (kind 0 and 3) are not only private data. Both are vitally important to build a social network.
I understand why kind:0 is vital to a social network (although there are challenges such as the five fiatjafs).
I do not understand why kind:3 is vital. As far as I can see kind:3 is equivalent to a file on my laptop. Unless, of course, I can query your kind:3. If the latter is the case, then #[8]'s web of trust starts to make sense.
>From: Giszmo at 07/30/22 19:42:04 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>metadata and follows (kind 0 and 3) are not only private data. Both are vitally important to build a social network.
Of course you can query kinds:[3] of other authors:[32e1827635450ebb3c5a7d12c1f8e7b2b514439ac10a67eef3d9fd9c5c68e245].
That gives me something new to think about. Thanks!
>From: Giszmo at 07/30/22 20:10:28 on wss://relay.nostr.info
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>Of course you can query kinds:[3] of other authors:[32e1827635450ebb3c5a7d12c1f8e7b2b514439ac10a67eef3d9fd9c5c68e245].