I try. It's hard when the other side doesn't acknowledge any downside to Bitcoin and is calling you a shill, retard, or shitcoiner for any argument you might bring up (whether the argument is flawed or not).
But you are right. Almost never in good faith and it rarely turns into a productive conversation. But sometimes it happens and when it does it's great.
This is probably one of the best friendly discussions I've listened to where each side doesn't get emotional and honestly acknowledges flaws on either side. Giacomo and Seth were great.
yeah this is a good example. Seth is always polite and Giacomo was on good behavior.
You don't. Instead of acknowledging that monero offers temporary privacy, you decided to call #Bitcoin LN inferior.
Keep attacking, shill.
Proving this guy right π
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https://voltage.cloud/blog/lightning-network-faq/lightning-network-privacy-explainer/
There you have it again.
Instead of acknowledging that monero offers temporary privacy, you decided to call #Bitcoin LN inferior.
Keep attacking, retar π€π
There you have it again.
Instead of acknowledging that LN offers shitty privacy now, you decided to call #Monero inferior. And the same risk of "temporary" privacy applies to LN! Anyone is free to centrally save all that data now to break in the future! π
'And the same risk of "temporary" privacy applies to LN! Anyone is free to centrally save all that data now to break in the future!' - don't be emotional and use your brain, retard.
EVERYONE is saving ALL TRANSACTIONS on your hardforking shirtcoin on the blockchain.
NOBODY is capable to SEE, nor SAVE all transactions on all #Bitcoin #LN implementations.
Ok, sorry I was wrong, 0.001% of LN transactions *might* be okay and will fail at routing 99% of the time. Success! π₯³β
#SuperPivateLN
100% of the monero transactions are FOREVER written in the blockchain.
Even if your retarded 99% is correct (it isn't because you because #LN is running on thousands of different nodes, plus thousands private nodes), #Bitcoin is still more future proof than the hardforking shirtcoin you're shilling here.
Success π€π
100% of Bitcoin transactions are FOREVER written on the blockchain and FOREVER public.
You know Lightning is built on Bitcoin and you know you can be forced closed onto it right? Somebody also has to onramp and offramp at some point from and to itπ€ͺ
100% on L1. Not L2, not L3, retard.
If I send #sats from one channel to another and the channel gets closed, will you magically be able to link the #bitcoin to me? How exactly? You won't answer this π€π
Pirate chain. $arrr
what exactly is temporary about Monero privacy?
He thinks just because you can at some undefined point in the future break Moneros privacy that it is useless (the present moment doesnt exist to him). He also thinks no one can save LNs data to break in the future while ALSO having shittier privacy right now. Pretty weak.
But you won't get very far his defende mechanism is to throw endless insults and gets really emotional to any argument about it.
Where are all transactions stored, FOREVER? On the blockchain. If you think there won't be time it will become readable, your bags are pretty full.
That applies to all crypto becoming breakable eventually including your private keys lmfao. But you don't worry about that , why? Because you will be long dead by the time that ever happens.
And Monero privacy going forward will always continue improving so seethe about it.
All blockchains, correct. Doesn't apply to #LN.
You don't know when it hits, don't pretend, retard.
Assuming no one is saving that data***
LN full of privacy holes right now***
And your whole network is built on a public chain.
I don't know, but you don't know if someone is saving it either lmao. So cute.
You're mixing L1 with L2 again, retard.
How would you save data of my private channels forever?
You have serious gaps here if you think ALL LN txs are as easy to save and store as reading a blockchain.
"We identified 27,183 private channels, discovered hidden balances, and showed how a passive adversary can infer payment endpoints with very high probability."
I read it back in 2020?. This is before we had Taproot, Splicing, etc.
Again retard, instead of using silly links, learn how #Bitcoin #LN works.
Not all transactions are taproot. Nice try.
Have I ever said anything like that, retard?
So then my link still applies. Thanks.
It doesn't, retard. It's an old paper, concentrating on data that were available to gather at that time, not now. #Bitcoin, as well as #LN is work in progress.
Your constantly hardforking shirtcoin, offering a temporary privacy isn't a finished product neither. You learn something new every day π€π
Nothing is a finished project in the privacy game. It's an arms race.
It's just objective fact that Monero is the superior privacy tool among theseπ
so bitcoin only offers temporary utility because there will be a time a wallets seed can be derived from an address?
and monero people are already talking about quantum resistance.
pretty weak FUD tbh
