This flag had nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with the Southern Tradition.
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Rebel Flag
All Rebels are non compliant enemies of the state
While Richard M. Weaver is best known for the classic Ideas Have Consequences, the foundation of his career was this study of his native South. Calling the Southern tradition "the last non-materialist civilization in the Western world," he traced its roots to feudalism, chivalry, religiosity, and aristocratic conventions. The Old South, he concluded, "may indeed be a hall hung with splendid tapestries in which no one would care to live; but from them we can learn something of how to live."
Weaverās exploration of the ideals and ideas of the Southern tradition as expressed in the military histories, autobiographies, diaries, and novels of the era following the Civil Warāespecially those written by the men and women on the losing sideāis offered to a new generation of readers for whom that tradition has fallen into disrepute and who can scarcely imagine a life rooted in nature, the soil, and a powerful sense of honor.
The Southern Tradition at Bay is, as Jeffrey Hart noted, the work of a man who admired what "is admirable indeed, and that is the foundation of wisdom and indeed sanity."
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I saw Robert e lee sittin outside on the porch
Our Dixie forever! She's never at a loss!
Down with the eagle and up with the cross
While we rally 'round the Bonnie flag, we'll rally once again,
Shout, shout the battle cry of Freedom!
At this point it's just a Redneck Culture Flag. People all over the West fly them.
Probably true. The history is rich, but I doubt the folks who fly it have spent much time studying it.
I ain't know nothing but history but I identify with southern music. Does that count as a PhD study?
Or maybe it counts for political asylum if I have to leave my socialist shithole..
Not to be too spiritual but listening to southern music gives me goosebumps every time and weird dreams. Somehow I get the feeling of a family. I probably lived in a different place at a different time and the music brings the emotions back.
Fuck aye. Probably Irish too. :dogeangry_sm:
Kinda miss those times. Now it's just a retarded Clownshow
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What's redneck culture? Work under the sun?
Lol well yeah working under the sun would count I guess. But more like shooting guns and having bonfires and drinking shitty beer
What would you describe as southern tradition then?
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Idk manā¦ Iām currently undergoing an educational catharsis so Iām open to all kinds of thought trains but as someone who loves being from THE GREATEST state in the union there is so much nuance here that it feels like youāre oversimplifying something very complex.
Sure, it may not be about slavery in essence ā and yes, there is a unique culture to being from the south BUT because the people that hoist this flag have a history of using it as an intimidation vector or a societal line of demarcation... all of which are consequences of slaves being emancipated.
I think you'd find this book very illuminating.
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Iāll give it a read, most definitely. I put it in my Amazon cart for my next haul.
But I gotta say Iāve been on the receiving end of a drunk Dixie. Iām all for leaving people who donāt want to be bothered alone so itās not a big deal to me that folks fly it. I take it as we would both rather not build a relationship šš but the flag in the 20th and 21st century is definitely problematic.
The folks flying this flag today are more rebelling against modernity than they are honoring the southern tradition, although I suspect there are some small number of families who fly it at home in the south for that very reason.
Rebelling against modernityā¦ thatās a really interesting way to put it. When I get my hand on the book Iāll be sure to let you know what I take away.
The most important thing to remember is that the war began over free trade capabilities. The north thought they had the almighty power to sanction and tariff southern colonies, who at the time were trading with Europe at more favorable pricing than the north could offer.
It was only after the war began, that Lincoln made the war's premise slavery, with the emancipation proclamation. Only by utilizing his newly implemented paper currency, and the noble cause of eliminating chattel slavery was Lincoln able to get the enlistment necessary to win a war for northern dominance.
Let it be remembered that Lincoln historically stated that if he didn't have to free the slaves, he wouldn't have.
Somehow government approved textbooks don't mention anything about the origins of the war.
Each state created a Declaration of Causes of Cessation. Each one mentions slavery explicitly as a reason. Slavery was mentioned 39 times. āTradeā was mentioned twice, one of which in reference to the trading of slaves.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
Preceding the civil war:
Tariff of abominations "aka tariff on imported manufactured goods" this helped the north which was an industrial economy failing to compete with Europe for the southern agricultural equipment needs.
This tariff lead to the nullification crisis which challenged the scope of federal government, states rights, and started southern talks of secession
Morril Tarrif act, once again further raised taxes on imports which strengthened northern jobs while hurting southern commodity producers.
The north was being lobbied by industrialists for a traiff system that could only be imposed by a stronger federal government.
My question is the following. if slavery was the real purpose for the war, why was the emancipation proclamation so significant for military strategy 2 years into the fight?
The southern states said the war was over slavery. Thoughts?
Their feudal way of life certainly relied on it.
Wait, I thought it had to do with Lynyrd Skynyrd.
