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Keychat is indeed niche. But it is an example of how payment for every event sent can work in practice, and how an app designed on that principle would approach UX. If nostr had financial compensation baked in at the protocol level then all apps would have to make the choices they've had to.

I don't think people are bad at prioritising what matters. People are generally quite good at prioritising what matters ... to them. What trade offs matter to them. This often means they're bad at prioritising what matters to others, but such is life.

I agree with most of what you say about nostr attracting a generally self-sabotaging crowd in terms of being able to grow to any serious size. I don't know if nostr 1.0 can make it past 50k daily actives to say nothing of 100k to say nothing of 1 million, to say nothing of 100 million. It's hard to get across how small nostr is. Bluesky is over 100 times smaller than Threads, and nostr is over 100 times smaller than Bluesky. And nostr hasn't really grown in 3 years. And there's no indication it'll grow by any real degree in 2025 (it'll likely shrink). Or in 2026. And nostr is bleeding $1m a month in grant funds, which is a little unfair to all but the most sanguine of donors, they should be seeing their donation flower by now, with daily actives up to least 50k. (I mean maybe they're all all very long-term and chill about numbers, but if I was a donor I'd be looking at the numbers regularly.)

As with anything there could be a deux ex machina in the works. But overall I think there are great lessons learned and a nostr 2.0 stands a much better chance at success.

Anthony Accioly 2mo ago

As we are mostly in agreement, I'll tackle what I see as the root disagreement here:

> I don't think people are bad at prioritising what matters. People are generally quite good at prioritising what matters ... to them. What trade offs matter to them. This often means they're bad at prioritising what matters to others, but such is life.

This is the core disagreement. I honestly think that people suckn at prioritising what really matters. They suck at event knowing what should really matter for them. They are great at prioritising what is convenient, familiar and sounds "proper" in the circles where they want to feel accepted. If folks where good at prioritising what matters we wouldn't have a society of mostly phone addicted, overweight, infertily, depressed folks struggling with anxiety and existential dread slaving out to look a bit less desperated tham they really are.

And yes, I think we need to be annoying and remind them that eating their brocoli and being mindful about their data and the software they use (plus who is pulling the strings behind the software they use), even if they think they "know" what is good for them. At least as long as the fast majority of people, including Nostr users, don't act according to their supposedly values.

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Garbage nsec 2mo ago

Yes, looks like we agree mostly.

I think people prioritise the things that matter to them in a way that's quite efficient. The key is that what matters to them is often not what's good for them, but that's a whole other story.

Where we diverge is that I think the reminding them to eat their broccoli part is hopeless. That never works.

In Japan people walk a lot because they have to. Cities are designed to force people to walk. It's not a decision anymore, and therefore trying to influence that decision with this motivational speech or that grumpy diatribe is irrelevant, you don't have to waste time and energy doing so.

Nostr 1.0 is designed like a US city. Walking is highly optional, and in many ways discouraged. Therefore all you've got is motivational speeches or grumpy diatribes. And, just like in a US city, the few people that do walk a lot each day are very show-offy and righteous about it. Because it's something that makes them stand out, and when you have something that makes you stand out you tend to want to show it off. I mean imagine a Japanese city-dweller being righteous about walking a lot each day.