Nostr Web Client

We need more writers.

Documentation writers.

Article writers.

Wiki page writers.

etc.

If Nostr is Internet 2.0, it needs some actual webpages, and our webpages are long-form notes.

No. It's the other way round.

Nostr doesn't need more writers or webpages. Existing writers and webpages need Nostr.

Writers can benefit from Nostr’s architecture to secure their content against censorship and downtime, while existing webpages should evolve into Nostr clients to enhance their reliability and reach.

Nostr doesn't need its own Nostr writers or Nostr musicians or Nostr streamers or Nostr wiki page writers, we're not a walled garden, Nostr is just an infrastructure to be used by all.

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The Great Gazoo 1y ago

Nostr needs more dentists

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Particularly, the tenth dentist.

🎯💯

Laeserin 1y ago

It is difficult to develop high-quality software without constructive interaction with power users utilizing the software in a realistic way.

There is a positive feedback loop.

Laeserin 1y ago

Also, my request is also that people rethink pouring all of their knowledge and wisdom into Kind 01 notes and consider writing long-form articles and pages, instead.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Wish #Amethyst would let me fork/edit longform+wiki notes. The walled garden is so strong! 😭

Laeserin 1y ago

You're the only one who has read what I wrote, apparently.

Laeserin 1y ago

I just muted her and it felt pretty good.

Laeserin 1y ago

I should write more long-form, to avoid npubs like that. 🤔 They would probably never bother clicking on an article.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 1y ago

Kiwi browser + nos2x is a foss android solution for web apps that require browser extension login

Laeserin 1y ago

Yes, that works well. I use that for Nostrudel.

Kiwi browser is based on chrome and has not had an update in YEARS, therefore riddled with unfixed vulnerabilities.

Laeserin 1y ago

Yes, but I just got Amber and it's still a bit fiddly. Kiwi allows me to use the browser extension.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 1y ago

Yike. Thanks for letting me know. The walled garden really is too strong lol

Laeserin 1y ago

I just realized that you're saying that Amethyst let's you edit and fork Kind 01 notes, but not long-form ones.

That is somehow upside-down implementation.

Laeserin 1y ago

Long-form articles are going to be one of the most popular entrances to Nostr, as they will start getting picked up by search engines, as they usually are high-signal.

Does nostrudel work for this purpose?

Laeserin 1y ago

I don't think so.

I just tried Yakihonne, but it crashed my browser by creating authentication messages in a loop. 😂

Probably use Habla or Highlighter. Freerse is nice, but it has a mistake in the tagging that needs to be corrected.

😂

Okay gotcha 🤙

Laeserin 1y ago

They are also the documents that we will tend to archive (long-term, for free to the writer) and promoting in Nostr-internal information searches.

That is, after all, why we are coming up with specific relays for this data, such as wss://TheCitadel.nostr1.com

I've said many times that tweets (= kind 1's) should be short. Long-form tweets are an abomination.

nostr:nevent1qqs9wne3mc232wez06ndxaaprkgf6p23cwfx3ecyh4rktletzx786mgpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wdmksetjv5hxxmmd9upzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqvzqqqqqqyzzt49v

I think she is trying to get everyone to write for other Nostr apps like wikifreedia. I read it as hey take those short notes and expand to add more to the long form Nostr apps, nothing about changing the current kind 1s .... I don't know what kind 1s are but I'm assuming it's short tweet like notes ... She wants people to build their words. But I could be wrong ... She has been asking people to write articles for weeks now. We ALSO need dorks who like to write long form. I think it's two completely different points of views that is needed.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 1y ago

You're correct, these replies we're posting to each other are examples of kind 1

Laeserin 1y ago

No, you're 💯 right.

Laeserin 1y ago

This was meant for #[4].

The clients are so willy-nilly in reply-tagging. Hard to tell who is responding to whom, sometimes.

I knew you were talking to me 💐

Chris Liss 1y ago

I get this, but there needs to be an intermediate “kind” then. Some posts take more than 140 characters, but don’t merit full long-form, article treatment.

Laeserin 1y ago

The difference between articles and tweets is not primarily one of length.

Chris Liss 1y ago

Whatever it is, there are many cases of wanting to say something that requires more space than a tweet, but that you don’t want to be archived as one of your longer-form pieces, lest you dilute their quality.

But I agree there is something elegant about succinct Kind 1 posts of the type Gigi has in his thread.

Laeserin 1y ago

The problem I've had with 🧵on Nostr (as opposed to X) is that they tend to arrive disjointedly, incompletely, or in the wrong order (or the client reorders them). So, I try to space a complete thought over multliple posts and someone jumps on one section and ignores the other parts or can't even see the others.

They can't do that, with an article, as if they link to it at all, they always link to the entire thing.

Chris Liss 1y ago

I’ve found on Twitter, the first post gets 10x the views of the middle posts when you make them into a thread. I’ve found on nostr, few people engage with the long form post kind (you allude to this in your article), and more engage with it in Kind 1.

But I’ve struggled with this general problem in my work for a while. I have a substack. I only send out long-form, more thought-out, edited posts to my email subs. I want to post more, and I have a ton of ideas, but I don’t want to fill up their email boxes with posts like the one I’m writing now. Where to put the intermediate ones if not Kind 1 on nostr/Twitter?

Laeserin 1y ago

It's a balance. 🤷‍♀️

Laeserin 1y ago

Since this is a software project, we can actually agitate for them giving more pride-of-place to articles, but only if we use the kinds. They respond to the user's habits because they don't want to waste their time. That is why I'm going to engage more with articles.

If you go there, they will build it.

Laeserin 1y ago

And it is really helpful to the devs if their users write technical documentation. That is often of higher-quality, more avidly maintained, and more targeted to users who don't have insight into the code.

It is also an indirect form of beta testing.

Loly ⚡ 💜 1y ago

💯

Apatight⚡️ 1y ago

Can you send me an original acapella freestyle to a 90 BPM metronome? I will DM an email and turn around a produced track. You can use it, to whatever you end you like. I need some at bats as a producer.

Laeserin 1y ago

Who was this directed to?

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Without any context, it might be about your singing

Laeserin 1y ago

He responded to her, tho, not to me.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Hmmm

as you were then 🫡

spoonman 1y ago

lol, this is the most unnecessary ratio I’ve seen on Nostr

all she said was “hey, let’s get some more technical writing going” 😂😂

Laeserin 1y ago

She also reframed what I wrote, in order to use my post as a foil to talk about what SHE wanted to talk, which was something completely different.

I wasn't talking about onboarding anyone. It was a call for people to write long-form notes instead of only microblogging.

Laeserin 1y ago

This is the second time within a week that someone with a big account did this to me.

spoonman 1y ago

Yeh I’ve noticed the strawmanning increase lately. I’m getting a similar treatment over on X.

It could be laziness associated with the crab market, or exhaustion from the negativity online leading to these people having knee-jerk reactions.

Sucks when it’s a big account though.

Laeserin 1y ago

Well, it has a rather simple counter-tactic, that you don't really have on X.

Put anything you feel strongly about in long-form notes, which are completely different events and usually require an extra click to see. They generally ignore those.

😂

Yup

Yep