I LOVE getting #Zaps, but I confess that I still use the # of likes to see how a post is doing.
My Social Media use is business related so I may use it differently than many of you.
Here's my thinking:
-The only way to get one of my noasts seen by a large number of people is to get it on Primal Trending 24hr
-The noasts that make it there seem to have an over indexed amount of LIKES over ZAPS
What is the weighting between Likes, # of Zaps, Amount of Zaps and comments for that algorithm?
Good question. Primal is open source so this would be a good thing to know. Someone should make the trending algo more transparent
everyone bitches about the Twitter algo but leaves this one to be.
it also could be posted super publicly and I just haven't seen it. 🤷
I don't think it is. But nostr:npub12262qa4uhw7u8gdwlgmntqtv7aye8vdcmvszkqwgs0zchel6mz7s6cgrkj abused the algo to trend on purpose to make a point. Then primal manually banned him from trending and nostr blew up about muh censorship. The point is an open source algo is ripe for gaming it. Openly publicizing the algo would just lead to even more people gaming it.
Algos are pointless. They will be found out and games by those paying attention until the developers inevitably have to change it to prevent it being gamed.
This is precisely why yt videos change in format. The algo changes and creators change content to chase the algo, rather than focusing on the actual content.
ie. Algos are mostly noise.
sorting by newest is an algo.
sorting by most zaps is an algo.
tons of value in your response, but hating on algos just seems like a witch hunt to me.
In time different clients will have different "trending" algos that we can choose from. I hope all are open source so that we all have equal ability to "game them"
There's a big difference between a centraly decided algorithm and a sort list. I don't hate algos. I just think most perpetuate noise.
what do we want?
BETTER ALGOS!
That's all I'm getting at and I think we agree. hopefully we can choose the ALGOS we subscribe to at some point whether it be inter or intra client.
algo openness would be key to helping us decide. if there are more "trending" algo options, gaming one of them means less
It’s the number of GFYs.
GFY 🤝
Cool, but I use the zap button as a like button now. The algorithm is failing if it isn't accounting for people like me. It seems to me that the most valuable posts are the ones that generate actual value. Otherwise, you're just focusing on what a particular algorithm considers valuable. A like costs nothing. A zap costs something real.
You could get a million likes and it means less than a single 21 sat zap unless the post is leading to increased income in some other way. Zaps kind of complicate things here because it's possible for very few zappers to theoretically add more value than a lot more likers. And some people could do both. It's tough.
I'll take a million likes over a single 21 sat zap any day.
agree.
eyeballs are much more valuable for certain posts than the amount of Zaps it gets
All of this is super relative and dependent. I'd take 21 sats over one million bot likes or likes that lead to no other value generation. Value here isn't even possible to totally measure, which is why I said it's tough. Word of mouth, etc are all really hard to measure. I've had people see posts, tell me about it in person, and I then went and bought something from the company that made the post. But I've also generated more income from posts with very few likes in the past compared to those with more. It also depends on the goal. You could just want to share information to as many people as possible. Views and likes matter more there.
There isn't a single best option here. It's all relative.
LET US PICK BETWEEN ALGORITHMS
I think we all agree here
In addition, those 1 million likes are going to come in as many different reaction emojis providing sentiment and humor.
