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ahhh its not?? why don't I own what I produce in the 8 hours of my shift? why does all of that surplus go to a CEO?

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can you flesh out a little better what you mean by "mixes" in the context of labor as an economic input of capitalism by the employer/capitalist class? plantation owners also mix their economic goods (land, accumulated wealth, tools aka CAPITAL) with labor (slaves) to yield economic goods like sugar, cotton, etc.

vinney...axkl 1y ago

Why don't you own what you produce? Because you signed a voluntary employment contract that states you won't own what is produced. Perhaps you shouldn't have signed it if you didn't want that outcome. You can't be forgiven for renegging on your voluntary agreement.

By "mixes" I meant: if I own an unimproved resource and I improve it by working on it, I've made it more valuable to others and I can trade it with those who want it. And they'll pay a price for the improved product that reflects the work I put in to improve it. If instead of Me working on it, I offered someone else a wage (they agreed to) to improve it, the situation is no different. Except maybe I have to sell it for a little more to account for the wages I paid.

Nobody in that situation has been "enslvaved" - all of those agreements, from wages to final trade, were voluntary.

Just because someone doesn't have access to some imagined better situation doesn't mean they were enslaved against their will (where they "could have had otherwise if not for being forced) into their current reality. I don't have access to a flying car. Is my current car enlsaving me to the ground without my consent? No, it's simply not an option for me to have a flying car. Hopefully my children will have that option, but I don't. Shall I forceably coerce others with the ultimate (unobtainable) goal of providing me with flight? Is that reasonable of me or even in my own best interests?

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miggymofongo ☆彡 1y ago

every employment contract ever signed between a capitalist and an employee whose labor they want to exploit is one signed under duress. its not in the employee's interest to not accept these wages. How else are they going to pay for shelter, food, or health care? if you don't provide a roof over your head, the police will arrest you for sleeping at the park. the affordable care act mandated most us residents to have health care, meaning that the state could come for you if you didnt. if you dont feed your kids, the state will take them from you. at every turn, its forced coercion by the capitalists, who have the means to pay you wages, or the state, who will come for you if you don't.

vinney...axkl 1y ago

Take the community of exploitation you're describing and imagine there are a set of stateless, voluntary anarchist societies open to immigration. Some are ancap, some are ancoms, some are something else entirely. These exploited laborers can go to one of those where they suspect they'll fare better.

Do you see a a problem with that?

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miggymofongo ☆彡 1y ago

nope. just like Castro didnt hold anybody hostage in Cuba, anybody and everybody is free to find better for themselves and their communities.

vinney...axkl 1y ago

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vinney...axkl 1y ago

What if they don't have the means to travel away from Cuba because they were never allowed to accrue wealth? Couldn't that been seen almost similarly to "wage salves" in the sense that "they can go elsewhere if they want!" (But really they don't have options or means to exit because the state system defacto reduces their options)

miggymofongo ☆彡 1y ago

maybe? a u.s. government corporation (FDIC) currently manipulates the cost of credit to reduce options for their citizens to afford a home for their families. the u.s. state also works with private corporations in keeping criminals out of the work force by prioritizing hiring folks without a record, reducing their options too.. Cuba's particular situation is a cruel blockade by the u.s. that bars them from accessing credit markets and disincentivizes companies from doing business with them or shipping anything into or out of the country easily, so its a capitalist fascist empire state that is ultimately preventing any kind of wealth accumulation from happening in Cuba, not any kind of socialist government suppression of economic development. there are lots of private cooperatively run enterprises in Cuba. a lot of these folks get help from family outside.

until the capitalist state is abolished we will all be wage slaves.

vinney...axkl 1y ago

Under socialism in Cuba you could get personally rich enough to leave?

miggymofongo ☆彡 1y ago

yup, why wouldnt you?