I found this podcast quite trite. The problem with agriculture is not really about not having access to knowledge, and this companies work seems like another way to insert western agriculture practices into places where it's not needed.

The real problems in agriculture today come from the principles most farmers use. The issue with crop farmers is the exclusion of animals. The issue with ranchers is the lack of a system mimicking nature, mostly rotational grazing and having large amounts of inputs like feed.

Permaculture teaches the symbiosis of these systems and how to design them, not specific "how to"s. Once agriculture returns to a pulsing, seasonal, local enterprise, it becomes hyper productive. Eg 2x per year sheep run through your vineyard and prune or ducks/chickens being allowed in the garden for a couple hours once a month, following your cattle with sheep and chickens, etc.

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Indeed.. observe the nature, learn from it. It should be that simple, but many times human just think he can teach something to the universe.

This is exactly what Steve was getting at though. That sustainable farming practices could resurface if the control and knowledge was given back to the small scale for it to grow around the large financial centers that have dominated the practice and structure of the industry.

I appreciate the criticism, but didn’t really see your remark as at odds with what their team is trying to build, imo. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something.

Permaculture doesn't preach practices, but designs. You don't need to know how to do something, you need to know how to observe and then design solutions.

I have not listened to this yet, but I watched Stephen's interview with Jack Spirko and listened to Guy's interview. Knowledge is fundamental to all things, including agriculture. I think this is a great thing for making farming and gardening more accessible for anyone. Seems like it would be a useful tool for permies or a more traditional farmer. Nothing beats observation and then adjustment, but this could be part of that process.

I don't think this is about western practices. I think it is the opposite. Western farming to me is plow, fertilize, kill, monocrop. This tool helps move away from buying fertilizers and biocides, thus freeing the Gardner or farmer. In one of the interviews he goes into Korean natural farming, again not western, but an incredible tool to move away from buying inputs.

I want to look more into supporting this and playing with the beta.

I guess this is guy's interview, so I did listen to this