exactly. no kyc p2p Bitcoin will always be an option - and the best option
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Which nobody on this conversation uses.
The point was making payments privately (because censor exists) and to mine your coins in a fair way.
LN didn't solve that, because it wasn't even made with privacy in mind. This paper documented all the privacy holes quite some time ago: https://cointhinktank.com/upload/Lightning%20Network%20-%20An%20Empirical%20Analysis%20of%20Privacy.pdf
A mere university researcher exposed all the flaws, whereas you have the full weigh of governments sponsoring experts to break monero anonimity since years without suceess, reason why now they force it to be delisted.
You will never do a p2p transaction of 100k USD in lightning because the channels don't even permit that, but remember that last month someone bought +330 million USD worth of monero in a single hour? People use monero to buy small stuff and big stuff, it is simple and work cheap.
Don't you ever wonder yourself why everyone is using Monero for real-world things since years now?
why do you think nobody here uses no kyc p2p Bitcoin?
Because BTCs lacks a spending culture (for better) and there is a risk someone gets it identified through mistake or surveillance which helps reconstruct money flows if meta data gets added.
Many herer have great opsec, but even with you guys I wouldn't do deals in BTC.
Sure, small payments with LN, but nothing significant.
People seem to agree. Decentralised P2P market "RetoSwap" does x3 volume on average after one year vs Bisq after 11 years!
I'm a fan of Monero.
and of Bitcoin, and Lightning.
its about context