Replying to Avatar Rusty Russell

I listened to the What Bitcoin Did Saylor podcast, and I really want to respond, though that may be unwise. But I want thoughtful, fearless content in my feed, so I should start making some, right?

Firstly, while analogies can provide useful guide rails for understanding, listening to people *arguing* using analogies makes you stupider. Debate the thing itself, not the words about the thing: it hurts my head to even think about doing this, so I won't.

Let's set my priors first: I assume we're talking about technically solid, well-vetted, backward compatible protocol changes: this is the minimum bar.

I don't wholesale agree with Saylor's "don't threaten anyone's investment" hard limit. This has happened multiple times in the past, from the dust limit breaking SatoshiDice, enabling Lightning threatening miner fees (real or not), and segwit breaking stealth ASICBoost. These interests can, and will, stand up for themselves and will compete against other benefits of changes.

To be explicit: I consider any protocol change which makes block space usage more efficient to be a win!

Obviously Saylor is invested in Bitcoin the asset, and can afford to do all his business onchain in any conceivable scenario. His projection of a Bitcoin world in which there are 100,000 companies and governments who use Bitcoin as the base layer is interesting:

1. This does not need "smart contracts", just signatures. By this model, Bitcoin Script was a mistake.

2. It can work if Bitcoin does not scale and is incredibly expensive to spend and hold. By this model, the consumer hardware wallet industry is a dead-end and needs to pivot to something else (nostr keys, ecash?)

3. You could do this with gold, today? Bitcoin here is simply an incremental, not fundamental, improvement. I think this is suggestive, though: that such a network would not be long-term stable, and very much subject to capture.

4. In this view, Saylor is simply a gold bug with first mover advantage, shilling his bags. That's fine, but it's important to understand people's motivations.

5. This vision does not excite me. I wouldn't have left Linux development to work on making B2B commerce more efficient. I wouldn't get up at 5:30am for spec calls, and I sure as hell wouldn't be working this cheap.

I believe we can make people's UTXOs more powerful, and thus feel a moral responsibility to do so. This gives them more control over their own money, and allows more people to share that control. I assume that more people will do good things than stupid things, because assuming the other way implies that someone should be able to stop them, and that's usually worse.

I believe the result will be a more stable, thus useful, Bitcoin network. I am aware that this will certainly benefit people with very different motivations than me (Saylor).

Thanks for reading, and sorry for the length!

Yes indeed!

And maybe we need to remind ourselves that #Bitcoin the protocol uses proof of work, not proof of stake.

A person with a big #bitcoin (the coin) stake should never have a bigger say(lorπŸ˜‰) in Bitcoin's (protocol) future progression. This mindset is the totalitarianism bitcoiners should want to avoid if the cypherpunk and anarchy(no rulers) way is to be pursued and maintained.

Saylor is just a guy. A smart guy, but just a guy. Because he's a wealthy guy some people (weak/jealous/sheeple?) prefer to listen to what he has to say over any normie pleb, like those relatively unknown plebs who ACTUALLY build and maintain the code!?!? πŸ’”

TL;DR: A bigger bitcoin "stake" should not mean a bigger say on the topic of Bitcoin's future. Saylor is a rich and popular influencer, and should be treated as such.

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I fully agree that those with bigger stake should not have a bigger say though in reality, having bigger stake usually comes with bigger influence.

But those maintaining bitcoin codes also shouldn't have any bigger say. The very fact that they are developers meant they have extreme pressure internally within themselves to want to change things or do cool new things.

Weirdly, there's a great deal of pressure *against* ambitious changes. You're signing up for a half-decade grind, whereas other changes have a much better risk-reward profile. There's a reason I've generally stayed out of Bitcoin development and stuck with Lightning, where life is easy:)

There is a great reason to not break something that is working. The approach to changes in the bitcoin environment through max pain (BIPs, reviews and endless testing) is a way to remain max conservative. This is good, because there is a lot at stake (no pun intended) to have the base layer not failing.

To get funding or appreciation for your work and implement your personal ideas, bitcoin is not your environment.

Much kudo's and respect for those programmers who manage to survive and stay a bitcoin programmer!

That you @Rusty Russell for being a lightning developer and enjoying it, for work must not feel as work for you to be the best version of you on the matter πŸ’ͺ

The freedom to program what you recon the market may want is very entrepreneurial vs. conservative and probably the most fun for (a/most) developer(s) πŸ‘Š

People who produced more value should have more say. And they in fact do. Economic majority decides the rules.

Sort of, they certainly decide which fork ends up worth more. I think that at some point "Bitcoin" could deteriorate to the point where I'll willingly side with the losing fork. Everyone has a breaking point

Yes! Produced value or Provided value (proof of work?) should be the key words here vs. Ownership (stake).

"Proof of Work" really means something on many levels/layers and has value 😁