Yep, the issue is with the expectation created and trying to duplicate the centralized model.

Maybe we shouldn’t do that or recreate a focus on follower counts.

An idea I had for UI would be to show no counters for following and followers. If a user clicks on followers just display “Here’s a sample of 500 (or whatever ####) followers we found. Get to know them.” Show those. 🤙🏼

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This is a great idea too. Personally not a fan of needing a publicly glorifying no of followers. But the the ability to influence though has pros and cons and often ties back to # of followers so abandoning that might miss a large market segment - religion, leadership and cult ties back to this influencing concept let alone social influencers.

Is there a risk if clients just takes the max return from any of the relays, and should relays inform what’s their stored events as part of their specs, should users want to reflection of a max count ?

I agree. I just think it is a constant issue of people believing they’ve been censored, throttled, etc. when it’s actually a technical issue that is not understood. Either resolve the issue or explain it better to the user.

I personally think the default should be don’t show it and for those who really want to see it loads. I like how IG has an option to hides the likes to a post. If a user clicks on a post where the counter is hidden they have to count it themselves.

You are absolutely right. For IG, removal of ‘likes’ metric is applicable for personal accounts but visible for verified and business acct - maybe because the purpose and usages ? Metric was easy to figure out, but follows is complicated - this convo can take us down onto centuries of history lol .

This was funny. “You have followers? You are jesus?”

https://twitter.com/nocontextbrits/status/1629975959108481025