Then nostr is doomed, 99.999,% of people won't pay for any social media
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Twitter operates on 100% paid servers, I don't see why nostr can't succeed there?
No, it is free to use and post
Not for advertisers.
Yeah but you pay with your data on twitter.
What is the problem to spent 1000 Sats for an active spam-filter. That’s < 50c
And so without commercials or bots
I'm happy if people want to use the ad-supported relays. I will happily pay 1k or 10k sats for a spam filter and ad-free relay. That's the beauty of nostr, we can do both.
But the "100% free" relays will be over in a few months, IMO. That's just not sustainable. In future, I think "free" will be understood to mean "ad supported".
Yeah you may be right.
At this point my relay is at 1000sats lifetime. That may be +-0 for server-costs.
Im ok with that. But if there is maybe a subscription plan in future you can maybe pay 25 Sats a month if adoption is coming in and more and more users use the relays.
Because the costs didn’t raise this much with growing users
We will see what way is Nostr going. But I think it WILL be there in future. This synergy with lightning and bitcoin is too good
I would just use a client that filters ads. You can't force ads without proprietary software
Yes you can, at the relay layer.
What if clients filter them out?
1 in 100 posts from a random keypair with branding. Any pow by clients just adds to the fee charged by the relay.
Very difficult to filter ads at the client layer. It’s whackamole at best and that’s only feasible with money to hire people - you can’t automate against all the methods to advertise.
This is just wrong. When the barriers to entry are right, and paying protects them from the State, people will 100% pay for social media.
This will happen on different timelines in different places but it’s coming everywhere.
Nostr is the opposite of doomed, it’s where the resistance will be born.
Paying doesn't protect anybody from the state. It actually makes it much easier to go after relays.
I think paying a small amount for storage which is cheap may be part of a workable approach. Pay $2/month for 2GB relay storage. Pay a few relays for distribution and redundancy.
But added friction to posting is still not ideal. The trade off is anyone can post including machines and machine cost to post is near zero. Twitter and others still failed and they literally had KYC.
99.999% of people are not paying no matter how you imagine it
That's because they're not people. They're bots.
Always assume that an actor on the internet is a bot, unless they've taken action to prove they are human.
Action like, spending bitcoin to verify their account. There isn't an organization on the planet that can bot-spam for long if each bot costs 5000 sats to exist.
Also, I have no respect for people on nostr that won't zap.
💯 And the bot funders can’t print Bitcoin.
The more they try to control nostr, the higher bitcoin goes, the more difficult it becomes.
How about taking 1sat from zaps and distribute it to servers client is using?
Or just send 1sat/note or reply to relay?
It could be an option. It doesn’t work for lower quantity or targeted spam.
0.000231 Satoshi/USD *1850000 spam events from this recent attack = $427.35.
Question kind of becomes the marketplace one - can someone make more than $427USD with 1.85MM events paid 1 sat/event for?
However, if they pay 1 sat/event and it still can then be filtered as spam, that would really lower the effectiveness. But again, you would need to pay 1 sat per relay you publish to.
Gotta disagree. Friction to posting, if handled right, is EXACTLY ideal. If all public relays only allowed writes that were either from someone with NIP5 verification, or included a zap, then the spam dies from a lack of funding.