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Mind sharing evidences of any rejection of rusia into nato? Mayne they’ve started adjusting their equipment to match nato standards? Maybe they had any mutual operations to learn? Maybe they had a document showing their intent to join nato?

Or are you referring to a single pootin joke where he draws rusia superior to other nato members who had to do a lot of work to join the union and was expecting “to be invited” even though no other country was INVITED?

“Days without rusian propaganda on a “free speech platform” - 0” sigh

elsat 10mo ago

I understand your position. Sure, there are admin type criteria, and others in line etc. You are right.

Let me try to communicate:

-The objective of NATO was to counter the USSR/Warsaw Pact

-The USSR and Warsaw Pact disbanded

-The major power former USSR in Russia inquired of joining NATO, and did not go far in this process

-NATO expansion continued to Rf’s borders

There are no counterfactuals in history.

If Rf had joined NATO would there be a million dead today?

I don’t know with certainty.

I would think probability would be less than the outcome of today.

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Viktor Vsk 10mo ago

rusia didn’t want to join nato, same as they didn’t want Ukraine to be independent when they acknowledged our sovereignty. There was never any “inquiry” from rusia to join

Nato, mind sharing any document about it? Its called lies.

Nato didn’t expand to rusian borders, instead, countries that were aware of rusian imperialism wanted protection and expanded towards west,l and nato by doing huge work and paying big price for that.

If rusia would join nato there wete much less dead in this world. A lot of countries would not be invaded. A lot of money could be spent on something useful for humanity progress.

But they didn’t join, because they didn’t want it, because their imperialistic goals do not align with nato goals. So only a parallel universe trip could answer your question unfortunately

elsat 10mo ago

ex chief of NATO article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

Viktor Vsk 10mo ago

Ex nato stuf… says… pootin wanted… what about real actions and documents?

I can get you plenty of legal docs and actions Ukraine did to join NATO yet its not there. Similar applies to country who eventually joined.

But when pootin himself WANTS — everyone must obey and it becomes a legal call to action to invade right left and center

Do you really believe you are not spreading rusia propaganda on your own and don’t help committing suicide? Omg…

elsat 10mo ago

So you don’t trust the ex chief nato, ok.

Let me ask you - say you take for granted the ex nato chief’s verification that there is no green light for your country to even apply.

Why then go through the bureaucracy and produce documents that take you nowhere?

Viktor Vsk 10mo ago

Yeah, I trust actions over words. Weird but it is what it is.

Is it easier for you to believe there is a crystal ball that predicts the future because someone says something than to open your eyes and see that all rusians do are constantly lying?

I bet, if rusians don’t invade their neighbors, don’r make friends with terrorists, don’t oppress dozens of different ethnics and nationalities inside of their “federation”, don’t worship racism, don’t present themselves as exclusive mankind, don’t repeat on TV and at schools “we can repeat it”, “kill westerners” etc etc… there would be huge chances not only for them to join nato, but even for nato to not exist at all.

But they are liars and terrorists so we are here.