those policies are just completely made up. Noone is obligated to follow them.
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For those in the back of the room, JB is squirming because he has painted himself into a corner and made an indefensible claim. Or rather he has implied an indefensible claim: that ecash mints do not deserve to be treated with the same safety and security standards that apply across the board to all software projects.
When you base your belief system on dogma instead of principled logic you wind up with logical contradictions and (if you are not intellectually honest) the only recourse is to start denying reality.
We can see this behavior on full display in this thread.
The entire software world has settled on reasonable standards for software vulnerability disclosures. Of course "it's just made up"! Literally every human institution is just made up. This includes money, government, religion, marriage, language, and even software vulnerability disclosure best practices. We made them up for good reasons and we enforce them with vigor by ostracizing people who violate those norms.
JB first advocated for a double standard to be applied to ecash mints. When I pushed him to be explicit on this he retreated to a position claiming that the institution of responsible disclosure is illegitimate.
You see how this works? When a logical contradiction is highlighted dogmatics deny reality to avoid admitting their error and, in the process, making an even more egregious error. They are willing to destroy the very system they claim to be protecting in order to cling to their beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Sound familiar? You are KNOT going to believe who else thinks this way!
Users are not children that need to be protected from their own decisions. Users can and must make informed decisions on the risk tradeoffs of custodial systems.
Denying people the ability to make these decisions does not increase the level of attainable freedom and human prosperity in the world, it contracts it.
Satoshi sacrificed privacy to build a decentralized, trust-minimized system. He didn't do it because he hates privacy, he did it because it was the only way to make the system work. It was the right abstraction.
We can regain our privacy by making the opposite tradeoff on a different layer and enabling people to permissionlessly move value between the layers. This is the right abstraction.
Ecash is here to stay. More people are building on cashu every day because it has the right balance of usability, efficiency, and privacy. I believe we have achieved escape velocity. Y'all are gonna be blown away by the shit coming down the pipeline!
Watch as the haters get increasingly desperate to stop the coming flood of permissionless, frictionless digital cash. They can't stop it. It's too late. The genie is out of the bottle. The future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed.
TLDR looks like gay retard and autist. Get rekt
I don’t speak for Will. But I’ll speak for myself. I get pretty annoyed and angry when devs talk about ecash as equal to bitcoin. Even though they know damn well they are taking peoples bitcoin and issuing Casio tokens. We don’t fight hard enough against this behavior. It’s one thing if we as experienced users understand and know the risks, but it’s not helpful to new users and it’s damaging to Bitcoin, Not helping.
I know lots of people agree and think it’s helping adoption and it’s easy to onboard. the goal always needs to be sovereignty. Not mints and custodians.
Look into graduated wallets and try harder to be humble. I believe in you!
I’m not planning to be quiet about this teaching people to trade hard sats for casino Cashu. They need to be educated first. I don’t like this narrative going around that Cashu is Bitcoin. It’s not right for new users.
It’s not about me staying humble it’s about training and educating people. I had to teach myself that there is a difference. Because the Cashu devs are promoting that “there’s no difference in Bitcoin and Cashu.”
I like the graduated idea in theory but we have to be clear about how we discuss these things.
Who is paying you to be such a condescending prick? Im getting the impression youre not doing it for free
Look in the mirror my man. You are a condescending prick. I'm just tired of it. It's that simple.
Why not have actual conversations and answer questions and explain why your “side” feels centralized services are a good thing? Instead of just name calling and mudslinging.
All JB and others are saying is centralized services like Primal are braking Nostr and completely opposite of why Nostr exists and we shouldn’t just be rebuilding X. Yet, one said says “you don’t get it and starts screaming”
Your lack of self reflection is simultaneously astonishing and unsurprising.
Your full support and servitude to preserving a centralized service on top of a truly decentralized protocol is disturbing. 🤦‍♂️
But yet you still can’t explain to us why it’s a good thing.
It's in my fucking bio dude. You haven't done the work to find, read, or understand the explanation and it's painfully obvious.
Do your homework first and criticize later. You're not fooling anyone into taking you seriously.
Proof of work is self evident and so is it's absence.
Okay. Dude. I don’t care what’s in your bio. What’s painfully obvious is the fact you aren’t explaining to anyone why building a centralized Nostr is a good thing. Whatever.
I’m going to go enjoy the outdoors. Keep dreaming in your centralized utopia. 🫡
Dudes definitely paid to act this way lmao
"i demand you explain this concept that i refuse to understand"
do you ever listen to yourself? maybe try it. anyhoo i have work to do. bye forever
You might as well be talking to yourself. You use all the buzzwords with zero substance that suggests you have zero idea what youre even talking about
Youre clearly either paid to act this way, or youre actually retarded and people would be better off just doing the opposite of whay you say
You apparently have zero self awareness and are just a cheap whore. Unfollowing
stopped reading at “jb is squirming” lmao
