Abortion should be banned universally ✅
(with rare exceptions)
Don’t want kids?
Use contraceptives or abstain. nostr:note1nca688kfgsmzw2myl2pl42nmnrajrx549r3t7lc7atusle38jauqpxyuuz
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Works for rape like a charm.
I’m more than fine with exceptions for rape. That accounts for <0.01 % or abortions.
It wouldn’t significantly affect birth rates.
99% of abortions are used a contraceptive, and that’s unacceptable.
And if a contraceptive fails, then what? Or take cultural pressure. Or health itself. Contraceptive pills are not healthy at all, look into it. I'm actually not interested in this conversation at all, this should/shouldn't expectations of people, especially men, is bizarre in its roots.
nostr:npub17f66kd7kfa47qdu6sh89wdsxpctykym2prrlreudaf3n4wkcf0lq9u92kc please get a vasectomy before having opinion about woman’s contraception
No.
I want kids and intend to be responsible because I recognize my personal choices have consequences.
I also I don’t have unprotected recreational sex with people I don’t align with on values…
And I’m equally entitled to an opinion to you, and everyone else. You’re free to disagree with it.
So maybe if i'm not to tell you what to do with your balls you are not to tell me what to do with my uterus?
It's the whole killing babies thing that makes it a problem, you can have your uterus removed if you want.
I'm sure unborn female infants agree with your point of view. the right to live is a necessary precursor to any other rights you may believe apply to humanity. Denying humanity to someone based on age is not different than denying full humanity to a person based on race or other arbitrary physical attribute.
Unborn babies don’t have views, opinions, understanding of concepts such as humanity, ability to remember or make future plans. Unborn babies humanity is a direct, dramatic, long term influence on potential mothers life where she is not a free, sovereign individual if anyone else but herself can determine it. And for the idea of a soul, did you ever hear of reincarnation?
A mother's parents have a direct, dramatic, long term influence on her life as well but we don't legalize killing them if a mother is gaslit into thinking it would be a good idea. Freedom is not the ability to do what one wants, but what one ought to do. Addicts are not free when satiating there desires. Humans have no business ending other innocent human life, by definition that is exchanging one person's sovereignty for another's. A 1 day old baby has the same ability to understand as the examples you pointed out, eventually your argument falls apart in semantics over congnative abiliies. Any reduction of the inherent humanity of a group of people has always led to dissaster. Supporters of eugenics practitioners used the same variations of the same cognitive ability based arguments to justify their actions and then started planned parenthood. If one of my 3 daughters find themselves pregnant after being raped I will counsel them that the child is the result of God triumphantly creating goodness out of the tragic consequences of human sin. We shouldn't hold children responsible for the sins of their fathers.
Never told you what to do with your uterus. 🫶🏽
Advocating for universal ban of abortion is telling what should be done with my uterus (and life) as I am of reproductive age 🫶🏼👎🏼
Universal ban would mean no exceptions.
Not what I advocate…
Merely feel abortion is not to be used as a contraceptive (which it usually is).
Where do we disagree?
You advocate for the universal ban (with rare exemptions). I say men should not interact with a question of abortion cause it can’t be done on them (pregnancy or abortion) as woman should not interact with question of vasectomy. I might suggest my partner to do it but never against his will and I should not as much as express an opinion if a rando dude should or should not get it as long as his penis doesn’t go into my vagina
I reject that I my opinion is less valid because I’m not a woman. It’s of 100% equal validity.
That’s likes saying I can’t have an opinion on republicans unless I’m a republican 🤨
What physical attributes makes one a republiclican? Titties? Facial hair? The actual fuck.
It’s as arbitrary as gender.
Or race
Or or species
Also please, species ? You know what happens when a horse mates with a donkey, right ?
Not what I was referring to.
We make decisions when it comes to the reproductive abilities of animals. I don’t need to be a cat or a dog to make those decisions.
We, as people, try to do the right thing.
Abortion is wrong.
It shouldn’t be glorified.
Species is not arbitrary. When a donkey and a horse mates you get a mule. If an elephant rapes a giraffe nothing comes out because they are genetically too far away. It doesn’t matter how much sex two men will have no baby will come out because gender is not arbitrary
Despite that gay men can’t make babies, they demand tampons in the corporate men’s rooms... my GF is actually dealing with that: turns out they consume/steal more tampons than women do, costing her office far too much, but they cannot DARE eliminate this needless expense because of the modern gender absurdity.
We have jumped the shark since the sexual liberation movement from the 50s-60s with egalitarianism, and we are now slowly returning to common sense and traditional values.
An entire generation has been lost to this.
It’s not interesting to have a discussion with you if you don’t directly answer to sentances with question mark at the end
There was no question mark to respond to in my last reply to, and still trying to wrap my head around an elephant raping a giraffe.. Does that even happen? I’m too afraid to google it… 😅
Straight out of my imagination
Also consider that I’m being patient while you insinuate that I can’t have an opinion based in morality because I’m not a woman. I support women’s reproductive rights, which they incontestably have…
You might feel attacked, i feel bored.
I don’t feel attacked, and you’re bored because you don’t have a based argument to support abortion… 🥳
I just wanted to try out a twitter style “teach an Ideologe some logic” and it’s as brain dead as they say ☠️ thank you for participation 👌
Yes, the logic of bringing up an elephant raping a giraffe and dropping the mic 🎤
You win 🙌
I’d love to leave you alone in your righteousness but I never used twitter or reddit or participated in online conversation at all so it’s sadly way too entertaining for me 🙀 you gonna have to be the grownup and let it go 🤠
I’m actually not the one trying to prove a point, i actually got right back to making babies cause…
… feels good, man 
Sure, righteousness includes stating your opinion without making any rational point about it:D
I’m just here for pure entertainment value since like three posts mate, i’ll see how many more times you will have to pull it out to check the notifications 🔔
So between you and the other fiat women who boast about aborting fetuses for fun, you have nothing of value to contribute to this conversation, and have made it clear you’re only carrying on to harass me…
This is the last time I’ll check notifications on your behalf, as I’ve pressed the mute button.
Have a blessed day 🥹🫶🏽
Nostr be nuking mutes 😂
I don’t believe in contraceptive pills. They are bad for women. Don’t need to look into that further, we agree.
There are many contraceptive options. Abortion should not be one of them.
I love it when such complex issues are simplified so much. Black and white thinking par excellence! Then numbers are quickly shaken out of the sleeve. It can be so simple, why think in a differentiated way?
I used to feel differently. In fact, I was on the other side of this argument for 25+ years, until I considered other factors.
The issue is, in fact, a simple one.
Abortion should not a form of contraception, we know the consequences of unprotected intercourse and we should make better choices and take accountability for those decisions.
I think you have failed reading into sarcasm. What about if you don’t have a uterus you keep your ducking opinion about what to do with uteri to yourself
Abortion is a shity thing to do. It is like getting a dog and then getting rid of it...
Should it be illegal, no. Should people be shamed for doing it, no; especially if we don't know their situation. Are there cases where it is the least bad from all the terrible options, yes. Should we celebrate it as a society, no, but we should not ban it either.
Abortion is indeed a shitty thing to do.
Contraceptives are cheap, often free, and available everywhere. I’m not against abortion in all cases; particularly rape, incest, or when necessary to protect the health of the woman carrying the baby.
The bulk of terminated pregnancies don’t fit that standard and that’s why I’ve changed my perspective on this. I believe in protecting life, not ending it because folks made bad choices and don’t want to face consequences of those decisions.
Sometimes the only way to safely treat a miscarriage is the same procedure as an abortion. If that is outlawed it puts the health of mothers at risk who wanted to have a baby. (Don’t ask me how I know this.) Also, the nuttier elements of the right-wing movement in this country also want to ban contraception.
I agree with the it being the last resort thing, but who are we to make those decisions. It really should be up to the mother.
Once again fellas, not talking about the fringe cases of when a baby needs to be an aborted because in circumstances like the health and safety of the mother.
Not at all.
I’m against abortion as a socially acceptable form of contraception.
Fin ✅
You are not reading what I'm saying. This is not about fringe cases. So once more. It should be acceptable just not preferred or celebrated.
I and what I’m saying is that I don’t find it acceptable in 99% of cases, only in the less than 1% of cases involving medical complications and non consensual pregnancies.
As it stands now, it is the primary killer of black youth in America… we live in a twisted society that aborts the majority of their pregnancies.
We went too far in one direction giving people the benefit of the doubt. Now the pendulum will swing in the other direction.
Legal abortion has been linked to reduction of adolescent crime rates.
https://www.prb.org/resources/new-study-claims-abortion-is-behind-decrease-in-crime
cool well
this has inspired me to make art where i get dudes to cum in my pussy as a method of conceiving human life just so i can name my tiny fetus @steve before i abort them
thank you
i'll let you know how it goes ✌️
Specifically setting out to have an abortion?
Stunning and brave 🙏
So many Steves.
not for long. 🙏
There will be more Steves each year… because the abortion is being phased-out, and fiat folks like you who think it’s funny will also be phased-out with the abrupt ending of your bloodlines.
Reproduce, or don’t.
We have free will.
May the odds remain forever in your favor 👋
This is true.
Except the part about social shaming.
Shame is good aktcually.
how about you keep your tyrant nose out of other people's business
I’ll say what I want.
Thanks 🙏
you want government to force woman to give birth to children they don't want. that's what you want. tyrant.
Women are usually getting pregnant willingly… at least consensually.
(Also when you end your reply with an insult, it shows you’re emotional, not based, fren 😊)
We have the right to life, not the right to end life.
regarding emotions as something negative is a typical character trait of tyrants. being 'based' in that context signals your acceptance of using violence to subdue women.
Yes, I accept using violence to protect life and punish those who can just opt to take it so carelessly instead of just being responsible and accountable for their own decisions.
And I regard your emotions as pure weakness because your argument clearly holds no merit, so you just return to name calling again 😆
You continue to hurl insults proves my point; and I hope you find your ☮️, troubled one… 🥹
🙏
Pretty sure you are taking 'life' yourself on a daily basis by opting to eat it. And in the case of animals we are not even taking about just a bunch of cells without central nervous system.
You can spiral down this toilet all you want and Google the countless debates on the difference btw humans and animals…
Don’t even blame you for thinking it’s just a bunch of cells… because you’re limited, as you’ve never heard your child’s heart beat at that stage of a child’s life.
I used to have all those talking points until
I developed my understanding… and my perspective changed.
(That doesn’t make me a tyrant 😉)
So you consider this a human being?
Yes, I heard her heart beat.
I saw her tiny arms move. 
That was a picture of a pig embryo.
My picture was of my daughter
pig embryos have heart beat and moving limbs too. you obviously just identified one as a human being, showing how your oppinion on the topic is just based on moral emotions instead of scientific facts.
this is how aborted embryos actually look like. no heart, no limbs.
I did not identify your pig embryo as a human being; I identified my daughter as one, and I indeed heard her heartbeat, and saw her moving, something you clearly haven’t earned the honor of experiencing, which is why you can’t comprehend what constitutes life. She is very much alive and as a productive member of society, I will protect her at all costs.
Rather than celebrating the termination of life and disregarding accountability for human decisions to engage in unprotected sex, consider that doing the right thing is hard, and taking the easy way out isn’t something to be celebrated.
I can assure you, at 6-8 weeks into a pregnancy there is no heart beat. that's when abortions are mostly done.
you sound very emotional now. nobody is celebrating abortions but woman have every right to decide over a pregnancy early on, for whatever reasons.
You can assure me?
So what was the heartbeat I heard less than 2 months into our pregnancy?
Was that my emotion?
I have timestamps on the metadata
Plainly… you’re wrong.