If y’all want Bitcoin to stay purely a monetary protocol- then start fucking using it as money.

Before you read this take, know that my ideal scenario is monetary protocol only. Also know that I think it’s fucking dumb that nostr:nprofile1qqs8fl79rnpsz5x00xmvkvtd8g2u7ve2k2dr3lkfadyy4v24r4k3s4spremhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet59uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tc9vz57s got silenced for expressing a valid concern.

Here we go:

Hodling, sitting and waiting for NGU do NOTHING to increase long term demand for blockspace- which, in case you didn’t know, is needed to secure and stabilize the network once the block reward dwindles. This is what most people in Bitcoin do, unfortunately. This is why we started Conduit and why I’m personally hyper focused on marketplaces: if we can make global Bitcoin circular economies then there’s a chance this thing becomes self-sustaining and the phase change to zero block reward doesn’t result in fucking chaos.

So far, Nostr is the biggest circular economy here, and hate to say it, but since it’s all happening on Lightning we are barely moving the needle for base chain settlement demand. Surprised about empty blocks? I’m not.

Do all of you who disapprove of Core devs approach to increase block space demand actually use the blockchain for anything besides UTXO management when fees are low? Are you building anything that increases block space demand for monetary use?

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Important quote:

ā€œTo date no proof-of-work currency has ever operated solely on transaction fees, and academic analysis has found that in this condition block generation is unstable. To paraphrase Andrew Poelstra, it’s a scary phase change that no other coin has gone through.ā€

He also created Opentimestamps which is severely under used in my opinion (NIP 03 would enable so many great features for a decentralized social protocol).

Neither is nostr:nprofile1qqs0w2xeumnsfq6cuuynpaw2vjcfwacdnzwvmp59flnp3mdfez3czpsprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68y6trdqhxgef0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7wrtw00 stupid. Or anyone else involved in the current drama. They’ve probably thought this through more than most.

You think these people are evil and don’t care about Bitcoin’s long term health? Think again. They are being practical and doing something about the blockspace demand problem.

You don’t agree with how they are going about it? Then build something that increases demand for block space in the way YOU want it.

Or run Knots. That’s a great and valid way to express that view. I support it. But make sure you’re prepared for the consequences if you win this war (stay sat flow positive)- and probably consider using the base chain more, or participating in the Bitcoin circular economy (which means spending Bitcoin).

I find it funny how so many people here celebrated big money and big government when it came in and are now surprised these same parties are taking action to protect their investment. If you don’t do it yourselves, they’ll continue to do so for you.

How is removing the option to set op_return limit ā€œprotecting their investmentā€?

Also

If you are using Bitcoin for savings that means you are using it as money, exchanging value to yourself in future.

ā€œUse it as moneyā€

Is not an argument. Who are you to tell someone else what they do with their money?

Driving fee demand on base chain is ridiculous, people should not be exchanging tiny 20,000 sat UTXOs on base chain for daily purchases. They will use Lightning, side chains, ecash solutions.

Btw

3 million satoshi block reward is $300,000 when Bitcoin price is $10M ($210T market cap)

Last few blocks paid that same amount in fiat.

(Assume human-advancement future where electricity cost continues to be deflationary keeping up with fiat debasement)

0.03 in 20-30 years should buy you similar amounts of electricity that 3.125 btc does today.

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I can only assume it opens up the design space for more uses of block space.

You’re taking the word ā€œmoneyā€ and using it against me, without arguing against what I’m really saying: using it as a medium of exchange is important to drive settlement demand. No matter the layer- the more economic activity, the more base chain settlement demand, eventually. No shit it’s dumb for people to use base chain for everything- so this means the monetary use on upper layers needs to be EVEN BIGGER to drive massive settlements.

I literally said express your view however you want (near the end, if you got that far). I’m just warning of the potential consequences.

No offense, but I’m not gonna put too much stock in your price and energy projections- I’d say the same to anyone.

PV, thx for your thoughts and engagement.

But I am addressing your assumption that current settlement demand is unsustainable (too low).

Since the difficulty adjustment exists, Bitcoin hashrate will automatically adjust for any energy price / settlement demand.

The projection that (because of a supposed lack of future settlement demand) future hashing power required per block will cost more than block rewards is probably incorrect.

The difficulty adjustment prevents it.

My projection is interesting because it shows that the ā€œnever sell your Bitcoinā€ hoarders will incentivize hashrate through the higher energy/Bitcoin value, just like higher settlement demand will.

So I think maybe we should focus on better pay server UI for merchants and customers instead of shaming people and using fear to force them into bitcoin based spending habits.

Ultimately, in a pure monetary system miners sell bitcoin for revenue.

You’re right, the difficulty adjustment will self correct the equation.

But the game works in both directions - if there’s no block reward then they need to sell tx fees.

And if there’s no tx fees they sell whatever the fuck they have. Until network security is at risk because the difficulty adjustment went dowwwwwwnnn. This is the instability that is modeled out in the papers Peter Todd references. And is one of the main critiques of folks like Nassim Taleb and Mike Green that has yet to be answered by monetary purists.

I’m choosing to answer with action- so are others in their own way. If saying ā€œput your money where your mouth isā€ can be considered shaming people then yes I’m shaming people lol.

All users should be miners and accomidations are agreed upon through consesus amongst users. P2P networks do not need to be secured by "third parties"

You should design your own blockchain! With blackjack and hookers

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Ok fiiiiinnnneeeeee for a couple guys who's avatars look like a couple of dip-shits from Encino High you aren't has boring as you seem.

TBF you two talk a lot of shit which is a bit unnecessary. But will let you make your case for Knots. If you post a fucking link I'm out

This fuckin' guy 🤣🤣🤣 Hey, sometimes it's hard for an asshole to smell anything but shit. https://heres-a-fuckin-link.peaceout

Lol genuinely though, thanks for the good time, no actual beef on my side, your input and opinion is always valuable. Just a lil' trolling for fun. You are bein' kind of a dickhead though, I think we can all objectively agree 🤣 Keep on rockin' in the free world, bud

Upon closer examination, it seems we're all being objective dickheads 🤣🤣🤣

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This is always the end result lol

Must the Internet be so unfortunately predictable?

I wish I could zap this comment for Encino High lmao

šŸ˜‚ easily my favorite response so far šŸ˜‚ genuinely gave me a chuckle

Still waiting for your guys case about "why Knots IYO"

Sorry I don't use lightning šŸ˜…

ASIC resistance being absent in bitcoin was clearly a mistake

Why don’t we worry about that potential problem if and when it actually starts trending in that direction. Let’s not change a working thing to protect against a hypothetical future that’s pretty far in the future. There’s unlimited hypothetical scenarios to defend against.

This one’s pretty easy to game out when there’s empty blocks in 2025

So game it out