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What you say is a real struggle as a parent. People in this protocol has a better chance an exposure to this important topic.

Not my name 2y ago

We are fed so many lies by those seeking to exploit us. The concept that bringing new life into the world is somehow required for a full and satisfying existence is, I suspect, the greatest lie of them all. The worst part is that the poor kids being thrust into lifetimes of suffering and servitude have absolutely no say in the matter.

Like #antinatalism, we are taught nothing about money, about corporate profit models, about death and dying, or about how to live a truly happy life.

EVERYTHING we are taught is instead designed to keep us distracted, dependent, depressed, afraid, obedient, docile, dumb, poor, and (re)PRODUCTIVE FOR THE MASTERS.

As this thread nicely illustrates, most parents cannot even consider this. They have to retreat in their logic to idiomatic expressions such as “fill the earth” or non-sequiturs such as “but my child will be different”. Few, if any, will be able to overcome their guilt and massive cognitive dissonance associated with their failed reasoning to reproduce.

This much I can understand, as I would feel immeasurable sadness if I had forced someone I love into a life sentence of suffering and servitude. The mental gymnastics I would bring to bear would be no less impressive and desperate. I would likely also call out to religion or other “faith” based heuristics to help assuage my guilt.

The problem though, is that even though there are already 8 billion of us, we are all raised by people who have made the grievous error of reproducing. Expecting these same people to be able to acknowledge their mistakes while at the same time trying to overcome the massive machine that pumps us full of pro-life propaganda unfortunately means that the over-population problem is unlikely to be solved any time soon.

Since 1950 alone, we have gone from 2.5 to 8 billion humans. The implications of this are absolutely staggering to consider yet we’ll continue to hear virtually nothing about it.

Keep breeding folks, everything is fine, nothing to see here.

#grownostr

#thinkdangerously

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Lisander 2y ago

To be fair, having kids for some is an important part of their loves and how you raise kids, the societies you encourage them to be a part of and the ideas you expose them to are a function of your own exposure and creativity. Most don't know they are being lied to constantly. Some wouldn't care even if they did. But many are questioning things and bringing up kids differently. Look at the increase in home schooling over the past 20 years! And at the extremes, look to the Amish for how distinct a culture can be while co-existing with sheeple culture.

Re overpopulation - I refer you to a lecture by Hans Rosling which elegantly explains what cause the population explosion from 2.5B to 8B and where this might go. TL:DR - pop explosion was a function of global industrialization improving life conditions at a time when people needed 6+ kids to have 2 survive to adulthood and will likely stabilize somewhere around 11b. We can discuss later if we can carry this or not. Here's the lecture if interested: https://youtu.be/2LyzBoHo5EI

Not my name 2y ago

Hey thank you for the link!

I’m always interested in incorporating new perspectives into my thinking and will definitely check it out.

My personal feelings on the matter of over-population is that a global population of approximately 50 million would be pretty ideal.

If we reduced the population by 50% with each generation by only having one child per couple, that would get us there in about 5-6 generations without too much difficulty.

Personally I plan on never having kids because I’ve seen it go wrong far too many times to maintain any naïveté about the actual risks involved.

As an example, pronouncing six teenagers dead after a roll over accident into a swamp and shallow drowning in mud would be enough to change some minds I think, but doing so day in and day out just makes you see the world differently I guess.

All those teenagers had great, kind, capable, and very well intentioned parents btw.

Happy thinking!

#grownostr

Not my name 2y ago

Just watched the video and yes, I completely agree with the guy.

I think the cat is out of the bag and we are most certainly going to end up with around 11B in the near future.

That level of over-population to me is absolutely next level dystopian and I struggle to even imagine the famines, conflicts, environmental damage, and scale of human suffering that will result.

You have managed to strengthen my resolve to never bring another pointless life into this catastrophe in progress. I didn’t think that was possible. :)